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Frank Daignault 07-25-2012 07:44 AM

Policy Discussion ....
How can we improve "Ask Frank"? What are the issues that would make this site more popular? Are we drifting away from the striper surf because we are getting overly social talking about evrything but? Is Frank becoming overly vulgar? Where went the women who used to come here? And why? Have we been too mean to boating? Stufflikethat.

lagoonguy 07-25-2012 08:54 AM

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I'll take that bait.

Issues that would make site more popular: my first thought is, if it ain?t broke, don?t try too hard to fix it.

Is site overly social? Do you mean more philosophical? I don?t think so. I can only speak for myself but I enjoy the dialog when it gets that way as some threads have recently.

Frank overly vulgar? No

Where are the women? Good question. I don?t ever recall more than an occasional post by them here in the past. Women are not a large percent of saltwater fishermen and even a smaller percent of surf fishermen. I used to hang out on three other NE and one FL site and don?t recall a lot of posts by women either in the past or recently.

Too mean to boating? This is probably my only criticism of the site. Sometimes you are but, the name of the website is Striper Surf but there are probably three guys fishing out of boats for every one on the beach fishing for stripers. Sometimes you do put down boat fishermen by making it sound like anyone can catch more fish from a boat. After all, just having a boat does not make anyone a better fisherman. Put a googan in a boat and he is still a googan. Maybe boat fishermen should be acknowledged rather than denigrated Who knows, if word got out that the site was about all type of striper fishing and fishermen, readership might improve.

All in all, I have to say this is the most interesting site I have taken part in ever! It is the first one I open and read every day.

Jon006 07-25-2012 09:38 AM

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I've been on forums much meaner towards boats. I do find that some of the discussions here are a bit outside of the scope of the site and why I come here. I admit I truly only care to read and post about stripers. The politics and deep dives into literature are not my thing. However there has never been a reason for me to fibd another forum.

Aemon 07-25-2012 11:10 AM

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My first thought is a thread on favorite centerfolds complete with pictures. I tend to comment more on the social side as I feel inept in the surf compared to you guys. Not much I can contribute except for questions so most times I don't comment. I saw a comment in one of the Al Bensen threads about how good the thread was and not just another stupid leader length question so I shelved my questions about leaders lol. I think who you are and your proven skill intimidate a lot of people and there is nothing you can do about that. I enjoy this board very much and am honored that you let me post here.

JoeLyons 07-25-2012 11:12 AM

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I would not change anything that you can change.
Other than the occasional verbal abuse from snipers, directed at you - which you can't change - it's a very nice place.
If a person is in their 70's and has had major heart surgery, you'd think people would not do that, but they do. Engaging in verbal abuse is a very bad character trait. It's a short walk from there to hitting women and children. I don't like it - it's ugly.

RobS 07-25-2012 11:23 AM

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1. Is site overly social? No.. philosophical and esoteric discussions are always welcome

2. Frank overly vulgar? No... harsh in a New England kind of way? maybe :D

3. Where are the women? Good question. I find on other sites women only hang around when they are friends/spouses/fishing buddies with someone who also hangs around on the site. Maybe it's social, maybe it's for "protection".. whatever. Isolated women posters on a fishing forum are rare, IME.

4. Too mean to boating? even though I own a boat, I am primarily a surf caster (and frankly, as lousy as a "catcher" as I am, I do as well overall from the surf as from a boat as I don't go out in the ocean and chase down bunker schools for snag, drop and johnny grab that reel) I think Jason keeps us honest from a boat perspective :D

GoMets 07-25-2012 11:26 AM

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Frank, I think there is a difference between improving the site and making it more popular. As far as improvement, I found this site about half a year ago and love it for a number of reasons. I like the uniqueness of it's focus on surf/shore fishing. There is incredible depth of knowledge on almost every area of striper fishing if you're willing to wade through the archives. And the quality of the postings & regular members is light years better than other forums I've been on (and I love the philosophical digressions:D) Part of the high quality of the forum though I think is due to the fact that it's not over "popular" in the sense that you don't have a ton of unqualified people posting and responding like other forums do. The core group of posters here are so good that I often hesitate to chip in as a fishing/forum neophyte.

That said, it would certainly be an improvement to broaden the reading/posting audience with serious fishermen who have something to contribute. Specifically, I would like to see a broader geographic spread of posters to expand the discussion - for instance, at least a couple more Hudson River fishermen alongside Salmonmeister would be great for me as a upstate NY resident. As a reader and beneficiary of this site, I can and will certainly do my part to selectively spread the word.

biggestsquid 07-25-2012 12:53 PM

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Vulgar? You seem like a choirboy to me --- of course I'm from Philly.

Politics? What's a liitle political banter between friends? Perhaps we can get into religion as well.

Boaters? I have become a strict surfman in recent years. When I move to NC permanently this year you will get some boating input from me -- like it or not -- since I have a dock and tarpon/drum/gar/stripers in my back yard. If you choose to smack me around because I can't help but relate some boating tales --- I can take it! In this age of all inclusiveness I don't think an occassional boating story will hurt anything -- and afterall we know that the true sport is surf. (Plus I can't handle those six foot seas and 200# tunies anymore). Mule has been on a boat a few times.

The diversity of contributors to your forum is great. You may have a few more if you were a bit gentler when you find it necessary to correct someone, but most of us are thick skinned and some of us have little or no feelings at all.

I like your forum and would someday like to have a sit down with you and many of the other friends I have met here. (Could be some scotch or pale ale involved). I have met the big brother I never knew I had on your forum. Mule and I have even enjoyed fishing together. He is the teacher I wish I had when I was in school, and the backup I wish I had in a number of brawls in the way back!!

I have grown fond of Bill and Terese's art and know that when we get together it will be a great time.

Rag's is as down to earth as his beach chair --- and he is soon to become a fine southern gent.

So tell me --- what's not to like?

If you want more participation you may have to consider that many may consider themselves unworthy of playing here. If you could lure in some novices it would be beneficial to them and your forum. Nothing like a bunch of old coots who are willing to mentor our yougins.

biggestsquid 07-25-2012 12:54 PM

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Oh --- and as far as women I prefer to keep mine to myself.

Frank Daignault 07-25-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeLyons (Post 2372435)
I would not change anything that you can change.
Other than the occasional verbal abuse from snipers, directed at you - which you can't change - it's a very nice place.
If a person is in their 70's and has had major heart surgery, you'd think people would not do that, but they do. Engaging in verbal abuse is a very bad character trait. It's a short walk from there to hitting women and children. I don't like it - it's ugly.

It was an accident of timing that you were just coming back when I got that low hit from the Vermont guy. Otherwise, we haven't had any abuse here in years. Considering the number of visitors we have, the average is favorable, bad guys miniscule in number. Rare really. The above inspires some response from me but I want to let this play out a little more to get a feel. So far I'm flattered. (I think they call them e-hugs.) :wave:

akoller 07-25-2012 01:34 PM

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Well, to be honest, in 6 years coming to this forum plus all the Franken-books almost everything striper related has been covered many times. Especially since I'm not fishing regularly there's not much new to talk about for me personally either. So that's why the "other" topics are welcome. They would be welcome anyway, though.

Don't change anything just bring back Al Bentsen and Chuck Leigh and pay Jason to post more. And find some other old-salt type sharpies to come and share their stories.

JoeLyons 07-25-2012 01:50 PM

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It would be better if there were more people actively fishing a lot, right now, participating. That kind of enthusiasm is infectious.
Unfortunately, people who are on the fish and putting in a lot of hours a week don't want any new friends, or to trade fresh oats for ones that have already been through the horse.
Andy Lemar put it best one time when were discussing the secretive nature of serious fishermen. Deadpan flat like it was common knowledge, he told me, "Most guys won't tell you if the sun's up."

**Re Frankenbuse: I'm glad that is infrequent. It was almost like walking into a bar and seeing a guy whose girlfriend may have cheated on him once or twice with you: Walk right in. Walk right out.

Steve C. Sink 07-25-2012 02:57 PM

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Hell fire FRANK-----It's the best fishing site I have ever found. Adrian and I own four or five boats, ain't counted'em lately, and personally, the more fishermen that Drum fish in boats, the less I have to put up with in the surf. Keep'er like she is. The diversity on this site is amazing, and, in my opinion, an uncanny draw to viewers. Just look at the number of hits this site gets, 1000% more than any other site, and, only about 2% of that number actually post-----So there must be something here that causes that big of an audience. I have never known a fishing site where the key player, you, works his site as hard as you do.


Jon006 07-25-2012 06:28 PM

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I love the site and I wouldn't say there is much worth changing. Joe is right in that having more people posting who are actively fishing would be a plus. I have no issues sharing the what whens and where's of my fishing but few here fish the canal. Rhode Island is very well covered by Joe and you and there doesn't seem to be much interest in discussing actual fishimg (look where the ly last trip thread went)

Merlin 07-26-2012 01:44 PM

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I also like this site: the only thing I can suggest and this is to Bob more then Frank is it would be nice if someone posted a question then Frank would hold the key to unlock it and answer before anyone else responded. Those violated posts could either go to a post entitled trash bin or just head out into cyber space.

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