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InshoreAngler 11-04-2003 08:09 PM

Are there any exceptionally good surf rod builders that can build me a custom rod out there? willing to spend $200-300...
does anyone know any custom rod makers?
please reply if u do, or if you are one PM/email me for more details!
thanks!

Tight Lines!
-Vic

InshoreAngler 11-04-2003 08:09 PM

Are there any exceptionally good surf rod builders that can build me a custom rod out there? willing to spend $200-300...
does anyone know any custom rod makers?
please reply if u do, or if you are one PM/email me for more details!
thanks!

Tight Lines!
-Vic

spence 11-05-2003 09:26 AM

As I've mentioned before, I've gotten a few rods from CMS Enterprises in New Bedford and am very happy with both their product and service.

If you can't find someone local they are a great shop.

-spence

ferret 11-05-2003 11:09 AM

Dunno if he works in for the shop or is otherwise affiliated, but the Cape Cod Tackle guy is supposed to be really good.

mikecc 11-05-2003 11:45 AM

CMS of N Bedford and CCT (aka M & D's)of Wareham are not affiliated in any way
They are both one of the biggest rod builders in the North East.
No matter which builder you choose don't let them talk you into any guides other than Fuji.

quote:
Are there any exceptionally good surf rod builders that can build me a custom rod out there? willing to spend $200-300.


You should easily get a custom rod built in the 9' area for between $140 - $175 and 10 ' rods from $175 & up by each builder but will vary depending on Blank type, action, guides and thread designs.

Redbone 11-05-2003 12:13 PM

My builder told me Pac bay were the best guides. Titanium oxide rings with aluminum supports.

mikecc 11-05-2003 01:19 PM

I would have to disagree with your builder. The other guides are usually cheaper. So when you build a lot of rods over the year wether it's custom or production the savings of the builder adds up. That is why a lot of builders use them. I see the incerts falling out all the time on other than Fuji brands .
you know what they say "you can pay me now or pay me later."when were only talking a few $$ usually under $10 differance why would you risk it.

DeeJay 11-05-2003 01:47 PM

The savings on a Pac Bay "Hialoy" guide over a Fuji "Hardaloy" works out to less than a buck a guide. Cheap insurance to pay the extra pennies for a Fuji, considering it'll cost you anywhere from $8 to $20 per guide, depending on the builder, for a complete re-wrap.

The only time a Pac Bay guide is advised is in the situation where you have an old glass rod that needs a 70 mm stripper guide for peak performance, and only because Fuji makes nothing over 50 mm.

InshoreAngler 11-05-2003 02:10 PM

thanks for the help guys. looking into a custom surf rod from Saltheart (in S-B forum) think his name is mike....www.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX/shcr.shtml
see some of his work! look awesome and they have a great reputation

Tight Lines!
-Vic

spence 11-05-2003 02:33 PM

Looks nice. I think a quality local builder is your best bet. Nothing beats a relationship you can leverage for repairs etc...

-spence

mikecc 11-05-2003 03:58 PM

quote:
The only time a Pac Bay guide is advised is in the situation where you have an old glass rod that needs a 70 mm stripper guide for peak performance, and only because Fuji makes nothing over 50 mm.


I still got some of the original Fuji #65 That were discontinued about 14 years ago.

Redbone 11-05-2003 11:29 PM

I heard when designing a spinning rod you want to use the biggest leed guide available. some one suggested that I use a 70mm wire guide for the leed guide and Fuji Hardloy there after.

Tuck 11-10-2003 07:50 AM

InshoreAngler,

Don't know if you have purchased that rod you were looking for, but if you are still searching, try this web site. www.hatterasoutfitters.com
Tres Irby will build you a super rod to your dimensions. Good prices. Will ship anywhere. Based out of Cape Hatteras, OBX. Most blanks are breakaways or outcast.

InshoreAngler 11-10-2003 04:09 PM

Thanks Tuck. I'm having "Saltheart"(Mike White) build me my custom rod - a 9'6" breakaway. Here is his site with some of his work.
http://www.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX/shcr.shtml

Tight Lines!
-Vic

11-10-2003 04:30 PM

I notice in all the sample photos there is no support where the handle meets the graphite. Im my opinion this is a very poor design. I can show you pictures of what will happen to these rods. As I stated in many other threads the old St. Croix were built like this. The clear (what ever rods are coated in) cracks at the joints and the rod will come very loose. If you are only concered with the pretty thread colors I guess it's worth it?


It's not the only way to fish, but it should be!

Saltheart 11-10-2003 06:27 PM

I guess I don't know what you mean by "no support where the handle meets the graphite'. These rods are all built the same way all the top builders do a cork tape handle. The cork is tapered down on the lathe and then thread wrapped up the taper and finished. I have rods over twenty years old done this way. I would be interested if any builder does a cork tape handle differently. Please post pics of your work if you have a better idea. Thanks

spence 11-10-2003 07:34 PM

I believe he has extended the handle on his rods, although I'm not exactly sure why

-spence

InshoreAngler 11-10-2003 07:47 PM

KMB, I've heard many ppl that have fished with his rods, all with positive reviews. No offense but maybe you should fish one of his before expressing your opinion.

Tight Lines!
-Vic

DeeJay 11-10-2003 08:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Saltheart:
I guess I don't know what you mean


Welcome to the club

FormerlyKnownAsJohnR 11-10-2003 09:09 PM

Inshore angler - I'm not highly experienced but for $300, I'll build you two custom rods

I can attest that all of the shops and builders mentioned so far in this thread are all top notch custom builders. One place does have a tendancy to push the cheaper pac bay guides (more so in the past than these days) but they all build great rods. There are other good rod builders too.

KMB - WTH are you talking about? Handle Support? You a rod builder? What is a "joint" on a rod?

MikeCC - how much do those big strippers run? Just curious...

Surfcaster Trapped in a Boaters Body

InshoreAngler 11-10-2003 09:16 PM

yea john, it may be pricey....i just want a rod that will last me forever and handle what types of fishing I want to do....trust this guy the most to do the job after some research.
and if I can get that breakaway 9'6" taht he is making me for $220, i dont mind spending 70 more to get it custom.
After all, my dads selling my boat! I got alot of cash to spend, i've spent $2,000 (including rod)and i just stopped buying! All set for surf and party boat now.

Tight Lines!
-Vic

FishWeeWee 11-10-2003 09:18 PM

Take it from a guy who's fished 'em hard this season - Saltheart aka Mike White wraps a mean surf stick. He's wrapped me several Rhody Rockpile sticks this season and I went about the task of trying to destroy them on jagged rocks and mean-tempered fish, up to 35 lbs. They work well, even though mine don't have any fancy wraps. For the money, you can't go wrong with Saltheart, IMO.

clamdigger 11-10-2003 11:20 PM

Mike makes a super rod ========I met with Mike to go over my rod, because it probably one of a kind in design,, it came out super & works great for what it was design for /////////////////

ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE////////
MIKUL

spence 11-11-2003 07:10 AM

Vic, I'd like to see where the 2000 went...and after next season which items you love and which you regret buying.

-spence

FishWeeWee 11-11-2003 08:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Clamdigger:
Mike makes a super rod ========I met with Mike to go over my rod, because it probably one of a kind in design,, it came out super & works great for what it was design for /////////////////

ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE////////
MIKUL


I'm sure your rod was designed to catch only bloofish.

11-11-2003 01:00 PM

I revisited the site and looked at the photos. I made a big mistake. I thought I was looking at where the graphite joins the reel seat. In fact this isn't even in the photos. I don;t know where my head was when I looked the other day. I think my brain just got dizzy from the ugly thread colors. I apologize for the post but am still curious to see a photo of these joints as if there aren't any thicker cork or foam handles over the cork tape at these joints I will stand behind my original post. This has nothing to do with the builder, but all rods built this way and I have seen many.

11-11-2003 01:12 PM

Im sure some of you have no clue what I am talking about in wich case you have no reason to comment on it but here is a photo of what I am talking about.

spence 11-11-2003 01:20 PM

There are no joints here. The wrap and seat are applied over a solid blank. The foam you are calling a "reinforcement" is simply for comfort, or perhaps to make for less detail work on a mass produced rod.

-spence

11-11-2003 01:24 PM

I guess you either dont own many of this style rod or dont catch fish on the ones you own. I will be more then happy to show you how the sloppy joins shift on these rods with out support. If you are willing to buy them I will mail you a half doezen st. croix rods with this problem. You can tell every one how they dont shift then.

11-11-2003 01:41 PM

This is my last post on this topic. Below is a photo of a crack. It's the best I can do with this camera. Personally I don't care what any one buys. All I can do is offer good advise. You want to act like a big shot and waste your money? Go right ahead!

DeeJay 11-11-2003 01:46 PM

Those "joints" you're referring to are usually wrapped with size D thread on most custom rods. I have custom rods built that way that are older than you, and caught their first thousand fish before you were born. The reason the reel seat comes loose has NOTHING to do with any support issues--it is because it was poorly attached in the first place.

Otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about----and I have serious doubts whether you do either.

IMO what your picture "shows" is a crack in the felx coat covering the wraps, not in the rod blank.

11-11-2003 02:02 PM

OK 10 points for being an old man, now lets get back to rods. All I am saying is the rods I own that have no grips in this location (I own enough to prove my theory) all have this problem. All the owned with the grip (I own more the enough to prove my theory) don't have this problem. Not all are St. Croix. I have seen plenty of rods with pretty colors with the same damn problem. The little striper logo and color thread doesn't make the rod any better trust me. I know people who build rods and I wouldn't mind giving them business if I thought it was worth it. It's seems to me the most people think its cool to know a rod builder and find that more important then owning a quality rod. IM not mocking that. Its fine with me. But don't sit here and try to tell my what I and many other people have dealt with isn't a real issues. I get no thrill out of photo graphing cracks in rods I paid over $150.00 for. The purpose of it is to prevent other people from having to do it. If you can't accept that I don't know what to tell you cause from the post above it's too late for you to grow up!

Redbone 11-11-2003 02:06 PM

Oooh ten points for being an old man. You better respect your elders boy. DeeJay is among the most knowledgable on this board.

You must be a real ignoramous if youve upset him.

11-11-2003 02:19 PM

I respect every one on this board. Unfortunately most others don't. From what I see many people come here looking for help and rarely get any. When someone does help every one just criticizes. If you don't agree with what I say fine! Post something better, then move along. If you atttck me for trying to help I will attack back it is as simple as that. I don't post a message unless I feel I know what I am talking about. Others post just to be part of every thread on the board. These are the same people who rarely have anything worth saying. I need to learn to ignore them. That is my down fall. Again I apologize for that!

superfly 11-11-2003 02:21 PM

KMB, you need to join penis enlargment group ASAP.

11-11-2003 02:27 PM

Superfly I agree. Irish curse got the best of me. Mind if I use you as a reffernce?

FormerlyKnownAsJohnR 11-11-2003 02:33 PM

KMB - the EVA grips are pure comfort / decoration and lend ZEROstructural integrity to the rod. The transition from the expoxy over the cork tape to the real seat has more to do with keeping the "decorative" cork tape from unwrapping and add another place to put awful colors. A properly built up and installed reel seat will have no tangable benefits on how the cork tape is done on either end. Some of the most common causes of real seat failure are a result of not cleaning the mold release agent from the seat before installing, not scouring the inner surfaces of the seat for the epoxy to build up on, and not properly building up the difference between the ID of the seat and the OD of the blank. The fact is that NONE of those issues that might cause a premature failure of the seat - like spinning on the blank - are visible from outside of the rod. Its all INTERNAL. That's it. Sounds to me like you should stop buying off the rack, unfitted St Croix rods and otherwise find another builder to handle your cusrtom stuff becuase from what I see here, you clearly don't know much about rod building. Funny thing is on one of my schoolie rods - a St Croix I built - that has caught thousands of fish (schoolie rod being for fish up to 20#s & blues to 13 on that stick so far) doesn't even have epoxy at the ends of the tape. The tape I used was the Loomis style tape and on both ends it's wrapped with three year old electrical tape as it povides ZERO structural support to the handle.

quote:
Personally I don't care what any one buys. All I can do is offer good advise.
If you wish to offer good advice on rod building perhaps you should know more before engaging thy mouth.

Surfcaster Trapped in a Boaters Body

DeeJay 11-11-2003 02:36 PM

KMB---you're a poser. Pure and simple. When you post what you've read in St Croix ads, you sound fine. Except those of us who've been there, doine that know you're regurgitating tackle ads. When you try to wing it, like you've done in this thread, it's just plain funny. Normally I would have ignored it and laughed, but when you insult the work of trained craftsmen who build custom rods with half-baked ideas, it gets my Irish up.

And I'm not even Irish.

Oh yeah---that "you're an old man" nonsense---it's the refrain of every poser who ever posted on the internet when someone calls him on it. You're too old to fall back on the other standard line, "but I'm just a kid, stop picking on me"

superfly 11-11-2003 02:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by KissMyBass:
Superfly I agree. Irish curse got the best of me. Mind if I use you as a reffernce?


You can't. There is a size limit, so I was not accepted.
You on the other hand, will be a regular customer.

11-11-2003 02:47 PM

I don't try to take credit for the info I supply that is already supplied by St. croix In most cases I add a link to were I gathered the information from so other people can learn about it as well. I took back what I said about the craftsman ship of the builder mentioned. I do make mistakes. The main point of the post wasn't to attack any builder but a specific building method. That is what I pointed out when I apologized.
Again you are keeping this thread alive by simple arguing useless material.
If you want to prove my statement wrong please send us some clear photos of some of your 26+ year old rods (as im 26 and your rods are older then me) in the locations I have pointed out. That there would be an effort to post something better then what I had to offer. So far you proved nothing to me or any one else about anything I had to say.


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