Thanks, Bruce. When people don't ask questions we lose material which would otherwise inform and entertain other members. I am left with raising issues alone and one person could never bring up new surfcasting subjects continuously for years and years. Some of us have resorted to reviving old threads to keep steam rising from the subject pot and that is a nice alternative to repeating an old idea in a new thread. When I think of it I search a subject before opening a thread on it. A few weeks back I forgot to do the search and brought up "Match the Hatch" for the third set of threads. Mister Smarty was embarrassed because it was not a smart thing to do.