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Old 08-21-2018, 01:19 PM
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I have run across a couple of guys down here in New York who were up there as younger guys at the time. Mentioned them somewhere along the line to Frank. They both happen to be fairly good story tellers and from what I can tell, based upon fishing alongside each of them, telling it like it is / was.
Funny thing about them is that both come to the beach a bit overgunned more often than not. I would guess that's a product of having been meat fishermen as kids and also having gotten into some serious fish back in the day.
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They would be good sources... but in Frank's case, he basically was looking at fishing to provide monetary sustenance for his family. Everything they did was to maximize profit, from what I can tell (Frank, correct me if I'm off base here... I am writing this with the most respect, not trying to denigrate, in any way, what you and your family did).

So, in that sense, seems like that Day-nos were unique.

Without going back to double check, my memory is reminding me of some women anglers Frank wrote about, but I can't recall if they were strictly boat, beach or both, nor if they were commercial anglers in the same sense of Frank.

I mean, living off of canned chicken with hundreds of pounds of fish around you is living extreme, IMO
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Everything was tied to the cost. We ate dabs and bluefish because they tasted good and had little sale value. In those days everybody sold their fish. True, less women fished but those who did gave their catch to their husband to sell. There was no shame in selling fish like there is today. Chicken-a-la-King was a nice meal. It was canned and we had no other way to keep it living in a buggy. We also used to reprovision at the A&P rotissary chicken and Arturo's Portugease bread when we got to town. I would drop Mom at the market and take the fish to the dock.

The good years I was advised to open a bank account at the local bank so I could cash the fish checks which enabled us to have cash flow so we didn't have to hide cash in the buggy for three months. Roughing it with food was a logistical problem because of no refrigeration, lowering ice which had to be used to keep the fish.
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A thing few people understand is being born poor imbeds a kind of unhealthy hostility that haunts the persona. You fight your way out of poverty and then people accuse you of being greedy.
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I can imagine... my parents both went through the depression and, while never wealthy, managed to build a comfortable enough life for us. So I was never "poor", though we never lived on the wealthier side of the tracks (literally in our town, the rr tracks divided the "upper" folks from the rest of us )


But point is, yes, there is a certain inbred frugality (being "cheap" or "greedy" could be someone else's perception) that comes out of that background as I observed in my parents.
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In every aspect of American life there is always going to be variable points of view. I guess it is human nature. Many people are taught things from what they read. What we did selling rod and reel caught fish was commonly cited as the reason for striper decline. Everybody blamed everybody else. I really believe that a big challenge in our convoluted culture is to better understand where the other guy is coming from. One goes through life defending lifestyle: "why do you ride up the mountain, then ski down it only to ride up again? Why do you hit a little white ball then chase it to hit it again? Why do you shoot ducks? You mad at them? What did the duck do to you? No one needs a gun; hunting is not necessary."

After a while you learn to live with these 'handjobs'. We even have them here on stripersurf.con.

More to the subject, 20 Years is probably the best book of those eight that I wrote. Its failing is that it was a cheap presentation. More might have been thought of it had it been in hardcover with a tasteful jacket, quality paper and more rabid marketing.
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Both of my parents grew up in the depression. As my father used to say "Your grandmother can squeeze a nickel so hard, the Indian rides the buffalo"...Dad grew up with a few dollars around and mom with little money and nothing but hand-me-downs.
I grew up thinking we were like everyone else. When my dad died I was 12 YO and mom raised 5 of us. Later in her life she told us, that when we all returned from the funeral, she had $50 in the bank. So I guess for a brief and not so shining moment we were poor.
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Never in history has American had it better. Everybody has money and finds work with plenty of jobs. All the previous generations had way more hardship than today. People are living longer and saving for their retirement years. No wonder people from South America are trying to get in here. At the casino nobody speaks English. One guy the other day told me to "brush up on my Mandarin."
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One thing I fear is the loss of the ability to hold and read a book. Our younger generations are tied to electronics in a way we can't imagine, even those of us with 10's of thousands of posts here or elsewhere. Electronic media does not spur the development of what, good writing? I was going to write "imagination" but that's not quite true as I have to admit those embedded in the gaming world (which is a world unto itself) do posses great imagination. But the ability to transfer an image, feeling, piece by piece through words... even "e"-magazine articles leave me wanting more, I guess not surprising since a magazine article and a book are written with different objectives, and level of content by necessity. But it is possible to do more
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Young people attached to electronics are just a temporary fad. I will bet that reading books will come back. The decline of magazines is more associated with poor content and what goes into a magazine is decided by the editor. Make no mistake, the editor is the boss and it is he who determines, with no doubt some input from the ever profit conscious publisher, the publication's direction. Like too many striper books in a limited market, there are too many magazines. The market shakes the bushes. Best of all worlds are the computer generated on-line publications. I write for one and they must be doing well because they pay well. Computer geeks seem to love the marriage between surfcasting and computer use.
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SJ must be doing good... I'm sure Zeno doesn't just do it for the love of publishing.
It's about as good a format as you can get for the reader and the publisher, from what I see.
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I never mentioned Zeno but am glad that you picked up on it because it was he who I was thinking about. Years ago, he wrote me to ask what I thought about an on-line striper publication and, best from memory, I advised against it because the striper surf is too small a market. Turns out that I was wrong Surfcasters Journal is popular and must be landing subs if they can pay contributors. Hey, maybe he does love publishing and maybe he does love the idea all the way to the bank. Profits is what makes the world go round. Moreover, there has to be satisfaction in providing a service to people, surfcasters, with reading.

As a popular author, I see satisfaction in writing that goes way beyond royalty payments. For instance, turkey hunting two weeks ago I met some other hunters and while talking about the birds, one of them had an inkling of who I might be and when he asked and I told, they all went crazy because they were New England Fishermen readers. That is worth more than money.
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