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Old 03-28-2006, 10:07 AM
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What are your thoughts about On The Water magazine's announcement of a Schaeffer-Like Tournament with their Striper Cup for 2006 ?

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Old 03-28-2006, 01:24 PM
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I have no thoughts because this is the first that I hear of it. I am persona non grata with On the Water.
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So what's the deal with the OTW Striper Cup? Looks like Clay Armstrong of Virginia already has dibs on it for this year.

Or is only for red Sox fans?
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Boat fish,BAH! And caught on an umbrella rig with wire line!Thats the problem with these things.They lump both surf and boat fishermen into the same pool,and they are as different as night and day...
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Last I saw there were seperate shore and boat categories..............
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So what's the deal with the OTW Striper Cup? Looks like Clay Armstrong of Virginia already has dibs on it for this year.

Or is only for red Sox fans?
If it was after May 1st, he registered for the cup and got the fish to an official weigh station I think he would have won the biggest fish award.

Big year end party at the Harpoon brewery for all registrants and a guest!!!!!!

Go Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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All that I know about the contest is what I see here. But contests that risk the impression, just the impression, of encouraging the killing of fish or even increasing pressure on a species, may have passed its time. Attitudes about competitive fishing are not the same today as they were back when Schaefer was doing it. Anybody, not just them, runs the risk of being criticized by the angling public if they so much as err a flea's nostril off acceptance. Then there is the promise of fame that could, in some cases, encourage cheating. Any time something is held up a certain minority out there will seek to take advantage of it. We saw shennanigans back when beer was drunk from glasses then, and I see no reason why it would not happen today. There can be a dark side to competitive fishing. There is also a distinct call for a level of sophistication in managing a contest that will certainly try even the most skilled managers.
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It definetly seems to promote killing alot of fish the way the rules are set up. I'm far from a C&R guy but I can't see a reason to kill 2 +34" fish a week for 18 weeks. And anyway they didn't include NJ in the contest.


Trophies will be awarded by state to the club that has accrued the most points in each state (NY,CT,RI,MA,NH,ME).
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funny you mention that Frank because a lot of people are very upset by this tourney as the rules stand now, I would not be surprised if OTW changed the rules very soon. Wasn't the Schafer Tourney also for the commercial guys such as yourself, where the whole point was to take as many fish as possible?
As you say, nothing stays the same..
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Onshore I have read the flyer over and over and I still don't understand what is going on.

It seems to me it is for 50 pounders. The whole thing is about 50 pounders.
I don't think we will be getting many of those up here on the North Shore from the suds.
It says we can join as a club. Does that mean that if I join as an MBBA member and our club gets the most 50's we win?
I am very confused by their info.
I am not afraid of people going out and killing fish over this. All rules still apply.
But I can't help wondering WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
There are just NOT that many 50's around these days to make a whole tournement around it.
I think OTW is on a promotional rollercoaster.
I do love their shows (and the mag) but they have yet even started to delve into what surfcasting is about. How many shows have you seen them filming at night on a lost stretch of beach? Or off a jetty?
That is where the real surfcasting is and I would not be very happy about a film crew, lights and noise around me when I was trying to fish.
Ooops I got off track.....
Anyway the terms and rules are hard to understand.
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From OTW


On The Water believes that sportsmanship, prestige and camaraderie are alive here in New England, and in the spirit of that bygone era, we announce “The Striper Cup,” a new tournament based on the ideals of the classic tournaments of the past, yet with today’s anglers and conservation in mind. From May through September, anglers up and down the coast will have the opportunity to fish for the prestige of having their own "pounder pins" on their hats or for the pride of their clubs. Every entrant who attends the “Striper Festival” will be automatically entered to win a 2006 Grady White. Monthly and weekly prizes will be awarded. The angler with the largest bass each month will earn a chance to qualify for the vehicle. Individuals who catch fish that qualify will enter the Harpoon 30-, 40-, 50- and 60-Pounder Clubs, get a club pin and their names listed on our Web site and in the magazine for the accomplishment. The members of the fishing club with the most points tallied throughout the season will take the coveted “Striper Cup” to drink from and proudly display in their clubhouse for the year. Fish without affiliation, or fish for your club, but register today!
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Here is a link to the rules http://www.onthewater.com/stripercuprules.html. The above is just a brief discription. It is actually about total poundage throughout the 18 week period. You can weigh in your 2 biggest fish every week and as I understand it the club, or I guess individual, with the most pounds wins the trophy. Any one who enters gets an entry for the boat raffle and there are some other prizes for biggest fish of each month.
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Thanks for that link benny.
I think I will abstain from this circus.
With my luck I would catch my biggest fish
after already weighing in my big fish.
Just kidding
But in reality I don't have time to go out and have a fish weighed.
When I actually get to the beach, I stay there.
My keepers are gutted and bled and put on ice for dinner.
I am not about to hold onto an ungutted fish for the sake of a hatpin.

BTW there is not much interest from our club either.
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In every competition that I have ever seen, and that is many, the flaw is always mixing boat fishing with surf fishing. The numbers are wrong. The numbers fail to recognize the differences. And the stage is set for boat fish to be entered as surf fish. Shame they never read my Trophy Striper, because we talk about that contest mix in it. But then, Frank Daignault wrote it.
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Apparently, OTW caught a lot of flack, and a lot has been posted elsewhere. Anyway, they have revised the tournament drastically and even opened it to Jersey folks. Here are the new rules, in full, from Chris Megan the publisher.

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New rules for Striper Cup
Seems reason has won out on this issue. Following are the much improved rule changes. Will it change your mind about participating?

Dear OTW Readers & Striper Cup Participants,

It has been a long week in which much dialogue has occurred about what OTW is trying to do with our Striper Cup Tournament. I have received strong emails both supporting the tournament and strong emails asking for drastic changes. I am not surprised by the passion that has been displayed by anglers from Maryland to Maine, on both sides of the aisle. We at On The Water have a tremendous responsibility to the fishermen of today, but more importantly, for those who will fish tomorrow. It is our hope with this tournament to bring the fishing community together so that if we need to speak with one voice, we can. Like it or not, we at OTW are and should be held to a higher standard when it comes to the future of our great fishery in the Northeast. All of us at On The Water are lucky enough to work in the industry that is also our passion and we owe a debt of thanks to you, our readers. When I’m fishing off some jetty late at night or drifting over some shoal, the world slows down for me. I gain perspective about how I can become a better father, husband, coach, and yes, publisher. The point is, fishing, to all of us, is an outlet that takes us away from the pressures of every day life. I would never, knowingly, jeopardize what so many of us enjoy.
With this in mind, we at On The Water have been meeting all week to improve the Striper Cup while capturing the mystique and essence of the old Schaefer Tournament. We have unanimously decided that we must err on the side of caution and have greatly reduced the number of fish that can be weighed. It will take cooperation and work by all anglers who have signed up or plan to participate. Club members will need to work together so that NO fish are weighed in unnecessarily. This speaks to the very fiber of this tournament and what we are trying to achieve. Camaraderie between the clubs and anglers was always a major goal for the endeavor. The new rules will foster communication and strategy to obtain club points while drastically reducing the total number of fish taken. Individual anglers will also need to plan and be responsible as to which fish to weigh. We have no doubt that this will become a great tournament in which clubs can compete and be proud of what they have achieved. Individuals will measure their skills against other fishermen from throughout the Northeast and in the end, we hope to all celebrate a successful tournament at the Striper Cup Festival.
Below are the changes we have implemented that should reduce the total number of fish weighed in by over 90%. We have listened not because it is the politically correct thing to do, but because those calling for more conservation are right.

• Rather than being able to weigh in two stripers at least 34-inches in length per week, that number will be reduced to one (1) fish per week.

• The Angler of the Year trophies will be awarded in both the boat and shore divisions based on the five heaviest fish submitted by an individual in each division over the course of the contest, with the aggregate weight of those five (5) fish determining the winner. This is a change from the original rule, in which the Angler of the Year was determined by a total weight of all fish (potentially, 36 fish) caught throughout the contest, regardless of size. The intention of this change is to discourage taking and weighing in many smaller fish and to encourage the selective harvesting of fish.

• All club awards including the Striper Cup and state awards will be awarded based on the club’s ten (10) heaviest fish weighed in over the duration of the contest. This is a substantive change from the previous rule, which seemed to encourage weighing in many smaller fish by many members of individual clubs. This change will encourage club members to communicate with each other frequently to determine whether or not a fish should be weighed in or even harvested, based on the size of fish that have already been officially weighed in and attributed to that club. This also should level the playing field between large and smaller clubs. In the event of a tie, the largest individual fish will determine the winner.

• With the interest in this contest spreading beyond New England, we welcome participation by anglers and clubs from New Jersey.


On behalf of the entire staff at On The Water, I want to thank all the passionate fisherman from Maryland to Maine who care enough about OTW to actually let us know how you feel. I personally invite all our readers to join us and become a part of building another tradition, The Striper Cup!

Sincerely,

Chris Megan
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