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Old 03-22-2007, 07:11 AM
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Don't let the draggers ruin your fishing!!

(This was copied from "XXXXXXXXXXXX" and pasted here with hopes to reach everyone concerned)

New Massachusetts Fishing Regulations-

Thursday March 15'th, there was a meeting of the Ma. Marine Fisheries Commission, in Gloucester. I have attached the agenda for the meeting.(below message)

One item "Recommendation for action on public petition to increase mobile gear access to Colliers Ledge, south of Cape Cod", listed in action items, is of serious concern. This public petition was first heard of last spring at public hearings, before the spring squid season, it was submitted by two draggermen, one from Hyannis and one from Marshfield. The petition, as written was a request to an extension on access inside the three mile line for an additional week, specifically, the first week of May. The Marine Fisheries Commission Chair, Vito Calomo, told fishermen and DMF at the public hearings that he would like to see some sort of compromise to be made. The compromise was made, 17 years ago.

A little background is in order.

The squid trawl fishery in Nantucket Sound open's annually beginning April 23, when draggers are allowed to access the area inside the three mile line, more specifically and historically, a straight line drawn between Succonesset Pt., Mashpee and Point Gammon, Great Island, Yarmouth. It is important to note that previous to 1990, the draggers had not been lawfully able to fish above that line (using small mesh) at all since 1938 and the access was only granted as a concession by DMF in 1990, who at the time stated that they (DMF) were unable to enforce the regulations due to a lack of enforcement capability. Several trawlers told DMF at public hearing that they had been fishing inside, illegally during the last week of April for several years. Traditionally, the trawlers have to stay outside this line after May 1'st, however they can still fish state waters ( and federal with proper permits) using small mesh (squid mesh) until the end of squid season which has been varied in it's end date and is at the discretion of DMF, but typically is around June 15'th. This decision by the Marine Fisheries Commission changes a rule that has been in place since 1938 and it sets a very bad precedence.

The DMF was willing to recommend that the trawlers be given an extra week inside the line, but before the normal opening, not after. Many more persons commenting publicly were against any extension of access at all. The commission was in a tie vote when this was voted on and there was a commissioner not present who would definitely have voted for the DMF's recommendation and the earlier start. The chairman, who typically doesn't vote, broke the tie in favor of the later extension.

This will have extremely negative consequences for Nantucket Sound and surrounding waters. The way it works now, there is a 2500 lb. trip limit for loligo squid, because 80% of the federal quota has been caught by the time the April opening occurs, but May 1'st is the beginning of a new quota period and there is no trip limit until 80% is reached again. The squid will be highly concentrated in the area in question at the time in question and catch rates will be terrific. This will displace many recreational fishermen, many charter and party boat operators and commercial jig fishermen as well as the sea bass and conch trap fishermen who typically begin to put their gear in this area beginning May 1'st. This will affect the fish availability locally and nearby as scup, sea bass, fluke and of course, striped bass all follow the squid and a lack of food for them equals a lack of fish for everyone. Even some local draggermen have expressed they are against this, stating that this will cause a glut of squid to the market and drive prices low. With no trip limit, the attraction for vessels that are lacking fishing opportunities elsewhere, that hold the proper permits, will be able to tow right up to the beach off Osterville and Cotuit. This will have terrible and far reaching negative consequences for this entire area.



Let the DMF know that this is unacceptable and you are against letting the trawlers access this area in May. Do it or you will regret not doing it.
The director has the authority to rescind this through an emergency action and there is another commission meeting April 5'th, there is time to fix this.

Please contact: paul.diodati@state.ma.us
Or phone the director at (617) 626-1530









MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION BUSINESS MEETING AGENDA
Thursday, March 15, 2007
Gloucester, MA



Please note that this meeting will begin at 11:00 AM at the Gloucester Field Station



1.Introductions and announcements
2.Review and approval of agenda
3.Review and approval of January minutes
4.Executive Session (if needed)
5.Chairman’s comments
6.Commissioner’s comments
7.Director’s comments
8.Law enforcement report
9.LUNCH
10.Action Items
·Recommendation for action on public petition to ban gillnets in state waters
·Recommendations for action on tautog and summer flounder conservation measures
·Recommendation for action on public petition to increase mobile gear access to Collier’s Ledge, south of Cape Cod
·Recommendation for action on annual declaration of commercial spiny dogfish trip limit
11. Discussion Items
·Regulation of gillnets in state waters
·Governor’s Request for Fisheries Disaster Relief to Secretary of Commerce
·Discussion of public petition re: fish pot and black sea bass hook sector
·Upcoming public hearings
·Revised policy for allocation of traps to commercial lobstermen in Outer Cape Cod LCMA with SCUBA history
12. Marine Fisheries Commissioner Comments

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[b] This will displace many recreational fishermen, many charter and party boat operators ]

HOWS it going to hurt the recreational fishermen???????????????? are the squid boats going to tow up their fish hooks????????????
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Old 03-25-2007, 08:20 AM
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HOWS it going to hurt the recreational fishermen???????????????? are the squid boats going to tow up their fish hooks????????????

This is the one of the primary food of choice for Blues and Bass as they do the spring migration.

"This will affect the fish availability locally and nearby as scup, sea bass, fluke and of course, striped bass all follow the squid and a lack of food for them equals a lack of fish for everyone. Even some local draggermen have expressed they are against this, stating that this will cause a glut of squid to the market and drive prices low. With no trip limit, the attraction for vessels that are lacking fishing opportunities elsewhere, that hold the proper permits, will be able to tow right up to the beach off Osterville and Cotuit. This will have terrible and far reaching negative consequences for this entire area."
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Old 03-25-2007, 08:22 AM
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Action Is Rescinded!
THE ACTION IS RESCINDED!

THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO GOT INVOLVED -
THIS IS TRULY GREAT NEWS!

March 23, 2007

MarineFisheries Advisory
ACTION RESCINDED TO GRANT EXTENDED DRAGGER ACCESS TO COLLIER’S LEDGE


Acting Commissioner Tom French of the Department of Fish & Game has disapproved a recent action taken by the Marine Fisheries Advisory Commission to grant squid trawlers extended access (May 1 – 8) to near-shore waters in the vicinity of Collier’s Ledge. Under M.G.L. c. 130 §17A the Commissioner approves or disapproves regulatory changes submitted by the Director of the Division of Marine Fisheries as part of the regulatory promulgation process.

To clarify, there will be no change to the regulations governing trawl fishing for squid (322 CMR 3.04(6) & 6.39). The squid season runs April 23rd through June 9th. There are not trip limits as of this date but a 2,500-lb. trip limit for mobile gear fishermen will be enacted when certain quota triggers are reached in any given trimester. MarineFisheries will provide notices of any such triggers and consequent trip limit. Mobile gear will remain prohibited during May 1 – October 31 in the longstandings inshore closure from Mashpee to Eastham (322 CMR 3.04(6)).
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Old 03-26-2007, 12:31 PM
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this will cause a glut of squid to the market and drive prices low. ]

i never seen the price of squid drop,,,,maybe the LARGE squid that goes on the market may drop,,,,but most of the squid gets processed and its usually the same price , just as long as its over 4 inches...and when the recs care about the comms prices, and try and twist it into regulations some how,,,thats where it gets redicolous.......im familiar with the sound but not real up to date on this issue,,,,but to me it sounds like the recs are trying to CLAIM OWNERSHIP on this area, or think if the dragger's work there its less fish for them.....its a mental thing........
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i never seen the price of squid drop,,,,maybe the LARGE squid that goes on the market may drop,,,,but most of the squid gets processed and its usually the same price , just as long as its over 4 inches...and when the recs care about the comms prices, and try and twist it into regulations some how,,,thats where it gets redicolous.......im familiar with the sound but not real up to date on this issue,,,,but to me it sounds like the recs are trying to CLAIM OWNERSHIP on this area, or think if the dragger's work there its less fish for them.....its a mental thing........
All the squid we catch here is big tubes - 8-14" average price $1.00+/lb.

I get as much as 2.00 lb. for mine.

As far as ownership- this was just 2 guys trying for a greedy fish grab in an area closed to dragging since 1938.

It's over for now- but that greedy XXXXX will try again - too bad- we are going to propose no dragging in the area in question - forever!!

The guy that proposed the opening owns multiple homes- new corvettes- and has plenty of money- he's just a greedy XXXXX.
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Don't let the draggers ruin your fishing!!

Traditionally, the trawlers have to stay outside this line after May 1'st, however they can still fish state waters ( and federal with proper permits) using small mesh (squid mesh) until the end of squid season which has been varied in it's end date and is at the discretion of DMF, but typically is around June 15'th. ]


i know nothing on this issue and i am still forming an opinion,,,,,so the way i read it is these trawlers CAN fish this area up til may 1st,,,then they have to leave because the MEAT shows up and the recs think their catching all the striped bass food ,,,,,,,,,,,,and the squid jiggers feel that the more dragger's the less squid for them to jig????????????????????????????

AM I CLOSE???????????????????????????
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i know nothing on this issue and i am still forming an opinion,,,,,so the way i read it is these trawlers CAN fish this area up til may 1st,,,then they have to leave because the MEAT shows up and the recs think their catching all the striped bass food ,,,,,,,,,,,,and the squid jiggers feel that the more dragger's the less squid for them to jig????????????????????????????

AM I CLOSE???????????????????????????
No and you need to chill-

The draggers were never allowed in the area from 1938- 1990- and then only allowed in because three boats from Hyannis admitted to fishing with the small mesh liners inside the line for the last few years during the last week of April.

Look it up - Page 15- http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dmf/publi..._squid_tr1.pdf




Now then, There hasn't been dragging in the area in question at the time in question, since '38. There is no reason to start allowing it now- the closure was for conservation purposes- This is a spawning area- the draggers wipe out all the eggs and break up all the spawn- the area was also closed for reasons of other fish conservation too- scup are present there in very heavy concentrations at the time in question- the bycatches would be enormous and the discards would be disgusting.

The guy that petioned for this- Ron Brjeson- doesn't need to make more money- he's rich- new truck new vette- 2 homes-he's a greedy jerk.
The local guys - the draggers were against this too- they don't want a whole bunch of boats coming here either.

The original decision to allow this at the March commission meeting was done in a very sleazy way- the commission chair knew that a certain commissioner wasn't going to be there that day and just one week earlier- postponed the meeting that was supposed to take place the week before it actually did- Then the chairman- broke tradition (chair typically abstains) and broke a tie that wouldn't have occured if the non-present commissioner was there- important to note that we all know that the commissioner who wasn't there was adamantly opposed to thisa opening- publicly and the commission chair knew this.

This had nothing to do with recs getting something- I used the recs voice to add to the numbers publicly decrying this- but let me assure you that the decision to rescind this was entirely for reasons of improper procedure by the commission in affecting this change to our fishing regulations- as well as for the biological concerns such action would create.

If you want to know more- you've got my #
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you make 2 valid points,,,,spawning area , which you could probably say alot of areas are spawning areas,,,,and scup discards,,,

this is a little confusing .........was the area CLOSED FROM 38-90,,,,,,and then OPENED from 90 til now?????????
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you make 2 valid points,,,,spawning area , which you could probably say alot of areas are spawning areas,,,,and scup discards,,,

this is a little confusing .........was the area CLOSED FROM 38-90,,,,,,and then OPENED from 90 til now?????????

The area was closed from 38- 90- yes. and you're right it is confusing
The area has been close from May 1'st- April 23'd- since '38 till now- and still is closed-
TYhe draggers can fish inside the last week of April- that hasn't changed.--Yep it's confusing

In '89 three boats from Hyannis "fessed up" to having been fishing inside the three mile line- which gets more confusing- it was actuallya line drawn from Succonesset PT., Mashpee- PT. Gammon Yarmouth- you couldn't drag N. of that line year round- it wasn't quite the three mile line-? confused worse now?

In any event- the DMF conceded that they had no way of enforcing the closure due to budgetary constraints and lack of manpower???

SO- they let them start fishing inside that line from April 23'd to May 1'st.

It hasn't been too bad having them there at that time- the fish aren't really there yet- they are just getting there- and after May1'st (or so) the scup are really really thick- I mean 10,000 on a ten minute tow- oops- This happens occasionally during that one week too- the scup are mixed with the squid and sometimes the draggers get them pretty good- theres a 400# bycatch- but that doesn't do much good if ya have 3500 in the net and you know how scup do after being squashed in-

This whole thing was just the greedy dream of 2 guys and one of them has never even towed here before.

We are back at "status quo" for now- The draggers can still fish inside for the last week of April-everyone except the petitioner's is happy and we will all be fishing as usual.

It's important to note Mike- the draggers do very well out in the sound after May 1'st- the guys who have always fished - they get the squid just fine- opening that inside area would have made a mess- we would have every dragger with a CAP permit here and the price would go bad and they would beat the hell out of the bottom - the spawn- the scup and no one else would have been able to fish- there are potters and hook guys that have always fished that area after May 1'st and this would have ended that too.

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