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Old 02-28-2018, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: Stripers on the decline again?

Years ago we had a "conservationist" who raised a lot of money for screwy research and who also recruited the guys with the best looking wives to help out in the research. Some of us learned that his research was more in line with Masters/Johnson.
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Old 04-11-2018, 09:28 PM
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Joe, you forgot the management BS. How are you going to count the fish in the ocean with even a moderate level of accuracy? Conservation is an industry. Thankfully, Stripers Unlimited is kaput. Boy, could I tell you some stories.
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I know you understand the Standard Deviation model. It would tell you among other things that when it comes to sampling, a sample of 2,000 will give you a reasonably accurate result for a population of 2,000,000. Somewhat similar to how the ASMFC scientists arrive at population sizes. The problem with the ASMFC numbers is that they can't account for recreational take and have no idea what the poaching count is. They also change the sampling locations every once in a blue moon opting for a known, more productive site than the one they had been using which has, over time, become less productive. In other words, they have "managed the 350 or so sites under pressure from various interests. So the numbers are suspect but the lack of fish inshore, length of the season, inability in some areas of the commercial guys to hit their quotas, fill their tags etc. tells us all that something is very wrong with the population. The main argument I hear at the few meetings I have attended is that all the fish are now off shore beyond the 3 mile limit. Almost every honest captain I have ever met told me those fish were there when the inshore population was robust.
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Old 04-12-2018, 10:11 AM
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Nobody knows anything about the fish. If you knew some of the ding-dongs who set management policy, you would know they have no clue. They ask ten fishermen who they know nothing about for an opinion and more than half say the species is in decline. That settles it, the species is in decline!
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One problem is that there are so *many* who set "management policy".

Too many cooks, spoiled food, that sort of thing.
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Always remember that Conservation is a business. NRA, Stripers Unlimited, SOS, a bunch more that I can't think of, lose their purpose if the species they purport to protect are doing well. Their growth is dependent upon a desperate need. For instance, each time they seek to curtail gun rights, another 200,000 people join the NRA. Or decline in striper numbers inspire more memberships in striper preservation outfits. In effect, when stripers do well, the need to "protect" stripers is diminished.
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Old 04-13-2018, 08:13 PM
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You have a habit of making sense out of a lot of varied opinions and scientific gobbledygook.
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Old 04-14-2018, 10:50 AM
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As a writer there is so much that I can't tell you. I saw a lot of things that I cannot talk about. In some cases the perpetrator is dead but his estate can still bring legal action. Even to win, it costs money to go to court.
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