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Old 08-24-2006, 06:23 PM
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Default Stripers on the decline again?

I am concerned with the size of Stripers in the last few years. For the last 4/5 years I have been catching a lot of "skinny" stripers...and fewer fish overall.
What seems to go hand in hand with that is the total lack of pogies.Not too many years ago we use to net 20 to 30 of them for a good day of fishing. I have not seen or netted any pogies in more than 5 years.
The pogy is the stripers number one choice of food. If they are not available to the striper, this is bad news.
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Old 08-24-2006, 09:56 PM
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Don't know where your fishing, Falcon, but here on Cape Cod I've seen a steady increase in the size of the bass we are catching and good healthy fish. And last year and this, a return of adult pogies after a hiatus of more years than I like to think.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:24 PM
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No one person could ever make an observation on coastwide striper population trends. They might not be in one person's spot while they are in another. This comes up all the time. And the pogie thing, oh, please, not again. We had pogies but the Marines ate them all.
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Old 08-25-2006, 02:27 PM
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I fish Gloucester/Rockport area...and use to get the pogies in the Danvers river.
I'm glad to hear you are catching good healthy stripers...I have not had those results lately. I sure hope I am wrong.
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Old 08-26-2006, 07:20 AM
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Default Re: Stripers on the decline again?

The stripers in Jersey have been increasing in size the past few years, and there are plenty of bunker (pogies for you NE guys) around here. The peanut bunker in the back bays this year also seem to be larger and more abundant. As Frank said, dont think you can generalize conditions on one area as a coastwide guage...
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Old 08-26-2006, 02:36 PM
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I inspired an outdoor writer in a northern state to go striper fishing and he was okay for a while. Then his fishing went bad where he hangs out and he swears that the stripers are gone from the entire striper coast. What are you going to do with that? I try to teach reasoning in my books but I have often thought that people just skip something if it is not what they want to hear.
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Old 08-28-2006, 10:33 AM
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Hmm, maybe a way of reasoning why they aren't catching anything?"Cant be what I'm doing or what I'm using, must be the stocks declining..."
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I am concerned with the size of Stripers in the last few years. For the last 4/5 years I have been catching a lot of "skinny" stripers...and fewer fish overall.
What seems to go hand in hand with that is the total lack of pogies.Not too many years ago we use to net 20 to 30 of them for a good day of fishing. I have not seen or netted any pogies in more than 5 years.
The pogy is the stripers number one choice of food. If they are not available to the striper, this is bad news.
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Falcon, I fish in Boston Harbor and I have been seeing the same "decreasing fishing"/lack of big bait (pogies/bunker) that you are seeing. Perhaps if "they" stopped the spotter plane-purse seine operations from netting every school of bunker that swims past Cape Cod waters, we would see some big stuff again!.........JC
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:09 AM
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Well, Jason, that is the standard explanation for all reduced or changed fishing and i am sure you know that has been being said for 40 years. The striper preservation orgs have raised millions on that premise.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:41 AM
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I gotta wonder... I see the bunker boats along with spotter planes all the time here in Jersey. Of course, there are those that complain that when the boats show up, the striper fishing dies. I dont know what the allowable havest of bunker is (I'm sure someone like Fishpicker would know), but I can say I have never seen schools of bunker as large here in a few years. The peanuts are abundant, and large for this time of year also. To blame the lack of stripers on less bunker, to me at least, is junk science. If there arent bunker for them to eat, they will always find something else.
The thing I worry about is the reduction boats in the Chesapeake. They scour them up, leaving a reduced population for the stripers that have spawned, and have the munchies after their fun to fatten up on. The Chesapeake is the prime breeding ground for stripers, but it seems with their regulations, both MD and VA just want things to go along as they are now. Want to see some really BIG stripers, and the GREAT fishing they are having? Check the MD forum here, or any other site that reports on activity there. I personally wouldn't brag about an 18 incher, but it seems like thats GREAT fishing for them...
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Old 08-29-2006, 02:26 PM
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Only thing that I am certain of is that I don't know. When they sought to put tegether management plans they expressly sought to acknowledge "producer states" like Maryland and Virginia, which to me, this far north, is something that I don't even begin to rule on. I suppose it is necessary to understand what they are trying to do to be fair to everybody. Like Maine has a limit that allow the taking of 20 inch fish, but they give on other aspects of the mangement schem.
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Falcon, I fish in Boston Harbor and I have been seeing the same "decreasing fishing"/lack of big bait (pogies/bunker) that you are seeing. Perhaps if "they" stopped the spotter plane-purse seine operations from netting every school of bunker that swims past Cape Cod waters, we would see some big stuff again!.........JC
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So here we are going into 2018. What are we seeing ? Large fish and small fish and not much in the middle other than very localized action. This is the same scenario before the "moratorium". The first two posts seem to put a soft emphasis on this. Now, I know they are cyclical and the sampling by the ASMFC is flawed although better than most other tools we have. The current estimates are that we have bout 30 to 35,000,000 fish to work with. Just 6 years ago that estimate was over 78,000,000. Seems like we have some bad times ahead. Many causes, pollution, mycobacteriosis,over harvest, poaching, bait availability etc.
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Old 02-26-2018, 11:14 AM
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Joe, you forgot the management BS. How are you going to count the fish in the ocean with even a moderate level of accuracy? Conservation is an industry. Thankfully, Stripers Unlimited is kaput. Boy, could I tell you some stories.
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:51 PM
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Joe, you forgot the management BS. How are you going to count the fish in the ocean with even a moderate level of accuracy? Conservation is an industry. Thankfully, Stripers Unlimited is kaput. Boy, could I tell you some stories.
I would have to agree. Because they ( canucks ) found all those stripers eating their beloved salmon fry, and finally started talking about it. The ASMFC gives us an indicator.
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