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Old 05-22-2018, 03:03 PM
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Reflect upon your sentiments regarding killing stripers or other fish to take them to market. I have a lot to say on this but I think many of our members, who should go first, can jump on with cogent ideas.
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Old 05-24-2018, 01:59 PM
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I have come around to thinking that the only way to ensure a viable ongoing population of striped bass -- and the striper stocks are a national treasure -- is to make the fish a gamefish. That's right: no commercial fishing anywhere. I come to this viewpoint reluctantly, but the seemingly ubiquitous poaching -- guys down in Maryland have gone to jail for it -- has shown that as long as it is legal for some commercial sale of bass, there will be overfishing and stock depletion. The fish is just too valuable for humans to pass up the opportunity.

There -- I said it! I favor gamefish status for the noble stripe-it bass! Now let me have it!
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:26 AM
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That is a common sentiment, Chris. I doubt you will get any argument. Personally, I haven't sold a fish in at least 30 years. But then I haven't had to. When I sold fish way back money was the solution to all our problems. When our first born was born with club foot and the cost for a splint was a week's pay my wife and I cried. What has to be remembered is that fishing is a living for some people. Those people are putting food on the tables of their neighbors.

Thanks for responding to this thread. I have the feeling our members don't trust it.
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Old 05-26-2018, 05:23 PM
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I have real concerns when I see a website / retailer posting all the weigh ins for a given day, then the next and the next etc...and seeing the same names pop up every day with another legal size fish. That is overkill and it's greedy.
The other bit that really gets under my skin is party boats, and some charters posting things like "bass slaughter" , "bass beat down". Wrong attitude in 2018. Might have been OK in 70', through the early 2000's but not now.
Then we have the nets long the east end LI right up tight to the beach with no enforcement and the guys with the commercial pin hook tags who game the system.
Don't ask about poachers because I would recommend having them drawn and quartered.
On the more reasonable side, killing a fish for the table is fine. Killing fish when the law said it was OK to kill / sell them, OK too.
I would like to believe that the surviving commercials are on the up and up but I'm not 100% convinced. I suppose some are and others not.
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Old 05-27-2018, 06:03 AM
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I was born and raised in New Bedford MA......one of the top producing fishing ports in the country. The industry here has been running rampant for as far back as I can remember. Recently the owner of some thirty five fishing boats was indicted for crimes ranging from poaching on a level never seen before, to tax evasion, smuggling cash to foreign countries.. bribing an airport security etc. He has hired a team of Bostons top lawyers and most likely will get away with most of his crimes, and keep most of the millions he made by raping the ocean.

Of course not all commercial fishermen are crooks.
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:57 PM
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There are some commercial fishing activities that are both legal and productive. People eat fish and buy them for that consumption. There is such a thing as "sustainable yield" in wildlife management. I buy fish all the time. I don't have to clean it and if I'm hunting I can't catch it.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:34 AM
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Short news blip about the scumbag who controlled one of the country's biggest fleet of fishing boats.....A lot of people knew this shit was going on! Business as usual at the docks. Carlos told the undercover fbi agents that "rules are for losers"!

NEW BEDFORD, Mass. ? Carlos Rafael, whose initials are emblazoned on boats all over this port city, boasted that his fishing empire was worth even more than official records showed. His trick? When he caught fish that are subject to strict catch limits, like gray sole or cod, he would report that his nets were filled with something far more plentiful, like haddock.
?We call them something else, it?s simple,? Mr. Rafael told visitors who seemed interested in buying his business. ?We?ve been doing it for over 30 years.? He showed off a special ledger labeled ?cash.? And he described an under-the-table deal he had going with a New York fish buyer, saying at one point, ?You?ll never find a better laundromat.?
But Mr. Rafael?s visitors turned out to be Internal Revenue Service agents, and the conversations, caught on tape and described in court documents, began the unraveling of Mr. Rafael, whose reign over a segment of this region?s fishing industry gave him his larger-than-life nickname, ?the Codfather.?
As Mr. Rafael sits in prison, having pleaded guilty to lying about his catches and smuggling cash out of the country, nearly two dozen of his boats have been barred from fishing for species like cod and haddock, grinding part of the centuries-old maritime economy in the nation?s most lucrative fishing port to a halt.

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Old 05-28-2018, 03:52 PM
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What must be avoided in this thread is the appearance of being opposed to commercial fishing. The harvest and sale of edible species for table use is needed in the economy. Not defending the "Cod-father" and his shananigans, but in our zeal to rightfully exhibit our contempt for him we must remember that there is such a thing as honest sea harvest for the provision of table food. I like to eat fish and I would assume that many of you here do also.

BTW, lobsters are down from $18/lb to 5.50 in hard shell.
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Old 05-28-2018, 04:34 PM
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Sure I eat and buy fish ....but I am not naive about the proccess that gets it to the table.
More than just a case of shananigins. He got caught...many others do not.

I'll refrain from further comments on this thread if you think I should.
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:55 PM
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No, don't refrain. I invite your comments. I'm not defending those guys. Surely, there are some commercial fishermen who are playing it straight. And I also know that there is a lot of cheating. There is cheating in everything. They just bagged a bunch of Mass State Police.

When I was a licensed rod and reel commercial there was no cheating because there were no rules. You paid $10 for a license to sell fish that you caught; the only rule was that they be 16 inches and we never saw one smaller than that. We never cheated because you couldn't. I had quit getting the license before they promulgated all those rules they have today. I no longer have a dog in the hunt, not for over 30 years. I am not miffed at anybody here; remember it was I who started this thread.
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Old 05-30-2018, 11:19 AM
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If you take stock in the scientists studying fish and our oceans (which I do ) you can't ignore the damage of commercial fishing worldwide. It may be someone's business, but at this point in time, certain commercial fishing is highly dangerous and detrimental to our oceans. I don't claim to have an answer, but thems the facts. I'm not bashing these guys, just stating what is currently happening around the globe.

On the other hand, I always dismissed public fisherman (use that term loosely) who overfished, took more than their limit, took shorts, came back again and again and again,,,yada,yada,yada,,, Now, I hold them as culpable as anyone. Maybe not for number of fish per say, but promoting bad habits to others.

If you feel my post regarding comm fishing is out of line, please remove, but it can't and shouldn't be ignored.
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Old 05-30-2018, 11:30 AM
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Do I think it's ok to sell fish? Yes. The fishery itself doesn't care whether the fish are killed by commercials, recreationals for an occasional meal, or by recreationals subsistence fishing for an entire family...dead is dead. The question is what quotas for each category are reasonable and will keep the fishery sustainable. I understand also that people (commercials) have to make a living, but if you wipe out the fishery in the process...
How you make your living may change...another species, or another career altogether.
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:10 PM
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Bob, I have been here for 19 years and can't recall removing a post over a difference of opinion. Besides, you are not out-of-line. When I put this up I knew there might be some friendly controversy. So what? I happen to think that the world needs fish for the table. The world also needs opinions.

I am going to put up another thread, this one for land animals. Watch.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:23 PM
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Look, it's all about being responsible stewards of the resource. Man has been hunting and fishing since he stood up. The problems associated with both are not hunters or fisherman of any category...it's the cheaters and poachers.
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Old 06-02-2018, 05:40 AM
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Poor regulatory policy is part of the problem. When regs are unrealistic there is less conformity. Say a fisherman has a permit for so many thousand pounds of scallops and he has some dead lobsters in his net. He has to throw them overboard to rot. There is a lot of waste.
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