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Frank, what size hooks are most of your shrimp patterns tied on? I'm guessing a #1 or 2?

Google images of a General Practioner fly. I think it's the best shrimp silhouette in a TRADITIONALLY tied wet fly.

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Old 03-11-2015, 02:16 PM
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Frank, what size hooks are most of your shrimp patterns tied on? I'm guessing a #1 or 2?

Google images of a General Practioner fly. I think it's the best shrimp silhouette in a TRADITIONALLY tied wet fly.

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yes, but I also think I have used 1/0. The General Practioner was a popular salmon pattern. Be advised that salmon patterns can be whimsical resulting in more prettiness than immatation. I believe that stripers get excited when feeding and tend to snap up anything that even resembles a shrimp.
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When I was a kid, and it had to be around 1946 because gas rationing had ended, papa used to go to upper Narragansett Bay where we would rent a boat to fish for Squeteague (grey weakfish). The rental guy used to sell us two types of bait -- mummies and shrimp. But often the rental guy didn't have any grass shrimp, only mummies. When that happened Papa used to get pissed and we would turn around and go home without fishing after a 40 mile round trip. The rental guy used to urge him to use the mummies anyway but Papa was convinced that squeteague would take only grass shrimp.
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yes, but I also think I have used 1/0. The General Practioner was a popular salmon pattern. Be advised that salmon patterns can be whimsical resulting in more prettiness than immatation. I believe that stripers get excited when feeding and tend to snap up anything that even resembles a shrimp.
I agree with you on the whimsical/prettiness thing...very pleasing to the eye but mostly an attractor pattern in some crazy color combos...
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If you look at the General Practicioner, it makes a nice template in terms of profile. If you look at the silhouette, tie a fly that's roughly that shape and size, make the tail the approximate length and thickness of a grass shrimp's, the wing low to imitate the shellback. Use subtle colors, use golden pheasant tippets (or eyes made from burnt mono) under the wing to simulate eyes.
Now that I said all that, I realize that just using a real grass shrimp is a better template, but seeing the GP helps my mind and eye to transition it into something that I might tie.
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When I first went into Atlantic salmon fishing, I could not help but notice all the idiosyncratics that went into fly pattern choices. My first impression of salmon anglers was that they were kind of nuts and I still feel that way. Most have little experience outside of salmon and seem to almost lack good angling skills, outside of fly casting. They seem all to do all the same things as though it was a requirement to think inside the salmon angling box. Many of the salmoneers I knew were a bunch of old women. To me it was never fly choice but drift method and I used to knock the balls off of salmon.
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Based on what you just mentioned, I was thinking of west coast fly guy Jim Teeny. His theory/methods are very simple: He mainly uses 2 fly patterns (in a few sizes and colors), and fishes them on several different weight/depth fly lines of his own design to drift into the fishes face...good presentation and persistence but his fly patterns are very simple: Pheasant tail fibers wrapped forward on a hook shank, with the remainder of the fibers hanging down to simulate legs near the fly's head. His other pattern is the same as the first with a few more PT fibers tied in as a long tail. He states that he mainly fishes those two patterns in a couple sizes and in natural/dark colors (although his company does make some brighter and flashier variations). The patterns are simple and shrimpish. He has a video from the 3M company made in the early 70s that shows his methods (and shrimp) on clearwater steelhead...pretty impressive.
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I can't suitably explain it but I view SW fly fishing for stripers and salmon/trout fly fishing as all together different. I have done a lot of both, still do. Frankly, I am addicted to wild forays into the backing, which is a guarantee on even the most marginal stripers.
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I can't suitably explain it but I view SW fly fishing for stripers and salmon/trout fly fishing as all together different. I have done a lot of both, still do. Frankly, I am addicted to wild forays into the backing, which is a guarantee on even the most marginal stripers.
I like your last line here, Frank. In June I got a few bass that were only 18-23", but they had girth and I saw my backing...great feeling.
I'm curious if you or others here have been using shrimp flies, or any newer shrimp flies of late. Some have mentioned that a tan "Gotcha"...a bonefish fly...is somewhat of a shrimpy, mini Clouser, and have caught bass on it. I got a few fish myself on a pink one.
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My wife and I have had great fly fishing for stripers using shrimp. The back pond for which we use the outflow during the drop is often filled with grass shrimp. Thing is that a more realistic shrimp is tied commercially than the scruffy shrimp Mr Smarty ties. I got a bunch years ago from Kittery Trading Post in Maine. Its a head thing but I like a fly that looks more realistic than the ones I tie. Consequently, I bought a fistful and guard them like I do my pikies. If I caught you in my stash of shrimp flies, I would have to kill you.
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