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Ask Surf Casting Rhode Island Get tips and helpful information from surfcaster, outdoor writer, photographer and outfitter Joe Lyons

 
 
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Old 07-20-2006, 05:56 PM
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Default Tropical Storm - Let's be careful out there

Watch out for high surf and stay away from Hazard Ave....and the other two avenues in Gansett..

I researched every account of surf-related accidents over the last 75 years at the morgue at the Narragansett Times a few years ago for a story. I spent two days there reading old newspaper articles.

The forty eight hours either side of a tropical storm is when the vast majority of events occur. For danger - Hazard is the worst, second is Newton, and lastly is Bass Rock.
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Old 07-21-2006, 01:49 PM
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Wink Re: Tropical Storm - Let's be careful out there

Joe, there is no fish there anyway. Ive been skunked three nights in a row.

I might have to give in and get one of those RM' s from ya.
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Old 07-21-2006, 06:53 PM
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Those Ave's are not for everyone anyways, very tough in regular conditions never mind with a big sea. I would not fish there with out a life vest on
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Old 07-21-2006, 08:31 PM
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I'm not sure what the wink means....
If you get skunked twice under the same or different conditions on back-to-back nights, don't go back for a third. You're near a lot of spots once you are down there.

I'd rather you get a pair of Korkers instead of a Ryan Smith plug.....If you don't have Korkers yet. If you can't afford the money I'll give you a break. I'd rather you did not get killed after being a regular on this board. Bad for business.

I don't think the avenues are a good idea for novice surfcasters. Particularly Hazard the day before a tropical storm. That's the worst place in the big bad world of surfcasting under any condition - but it eats a big can of spinach when a tropical storm rolls in. More guys die at Hazard than Montauk - with not even 1% of the visits...

In 1994, Bobby Casino of Narragansett got swept off down a little south of the parking lot. He lived, got picked up by the Coast Guard - and though I don't know the guy, I've heard he was very skilled. To be honest - I don't think I would have lived had the same thing happened to me.
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Old 07-21-2006, 08:35 PM
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Seems like in those situations skill means nothing...wasn't that guy killed at Beavertail a few seasons back a Navy Seal or something???

I've only fished the Avenues at night when it's been pretty calm, but you can tell by the water...it reeks of danger...

-spence
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Old 07-21-2006, 09:39 PM
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If you're a fatalist, then you picked the wrong sport. The better surfcasters believe they can greatly influence how fishing events play out in their lives. You can fish Hazard, Newton and Bass Rock and not get killed. Just don't go when the odds are against you. Just snip out the deaths that happen on either side of a tropical storm and the scary places become a lot more benign.
One experienced guy dies and people think that Korkers are useless. But for every seasoned angler that dies in Korkers there are six scup fishermen in pointy black shoes doing a Natalie Wood early one morning by PJ light.
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Old 07-23-2006, 04:42 PM
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Default Re: Tropical Storm - Let's be careful out there

I got the Korkers from you early in the spring and have not left the house without them since.

I actually had a woman tell me while I was at Hazard that I should use rubber sandals b/c they would grip the rocks better. LOL. I told that I would take her word for it, and I wouldnt trade my korkers for anything.

Believe me, I was there last week when it was nice out. I couldnt imagine the place when it's rock'n.
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Old 07-23-2006, 08:38 PM
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It seems like this storm produced in less active areas.....Like the calmer side of a jetty on saturday night. I managed to pull the 30" shown in the link from the muddy waters. and another one not so keeper worthy.
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:48 PM
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I've had a lot of good nights inside the breachways when the sea was big....
Back before braid I had Penn Slammer rod that was stiff as a pool-cue and loaded with 30-pound big game, I would throw eels about 50 yards inside one of the breachways from where the surf would break into the breachway. I would crank the drag almost all the way dowm and just the flex of the rod and the stretch of the mono. I got a bunch of them the night of the Perfect Storm. That same night a guy got killed at Hazard Ave....

Congratulations on your keeper....
And it was a good pick strategy-wise...Did you pick up that tip from your reading or was it a hunch? Bruno - smile next time.
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Old 07-25-2006, 06:42 AM
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Did you pick up that tip from your reading or was it a hunch? Bruno - smile next time.
I picked the location from reading.... first time I ever went there! , but I went there at that time because it was a senario that I hadn't tried yet (after a pretty large storm from the east and another one coming from the south on its way).

Honestly...when I got there I didn't think I had a chance .....the water was so muddy. I tried pluging eels, plugs, rattling plugs and tins but they where only taking clams riged on a fish finder....Maybe that was what was perdominante for food at that moment?...Maybe they were feeding by sent?... ....When cleaning the fish I did notice the there was nothing in the stomach contents....I don't know what to make of it.

As for the smile....you are correct, I should be smiling.
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Old 07-25-2006, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: Tropical Storm - Let's be careful out there

Not so crazy.
When there is a big sea on, clams get exposed and broken. Stiripers are one of the few fish than can digest shells - lobster & crabs, softshell clams, mussels..
If you go to East or Charlestown Beach the morning after a big storm you can get free live lobsters - there's usually several washed up. But you have to beat the gulls to them and those gulls get up early - as soon as it grays up they are on them.
 


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