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Old 09-20-2005, 12:41 PM
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Hold on to your wallets they will charge us enventually!!


FISHING DATA SOUGHT
Feds float plan for sea angler registration
Some see as prelude to saltwater license
Published in the Asbury Park Press 09/20/05
BY KIRK MOORE, STAFF WRITER

The Bush administration's proposed changes to the federal fisheries law
include a new "saltwater angler registration" that some recreational
fishing advocates fear would be the prelude to a saltwater fishing license,
an idea that sparks deep hostility in New Jersey.
"It's no secret that our agency has had a lot of controversy over the way
we monitor our recreational catch," said William Hogarth, assistant
administrator for fisheries with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, who says the registry would help NOAA get better data about
how many fish are taken by hook and line.
However, James Donofrio of the New Jersey-based Recreational Fishing
Alliance said, "It amounts to no more than a tax. A license doesn't ensure
that you're going to get any better data."
He said anglers have gone through that with buying $22 tuna permits. "We've
got 19,000 people with these permits, and we still don't have good numbers
for bluefin tuna."
Under the proposal, anglers would have to register in states that have no
saltwater fishing license, Hogarth said. The proposal is in draft
legislation unveiled by NOAA Monday, for consideration as Congress moves
toward its five-year reauthorization of the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery
Conservation and Management Act.
The registry plan follows up on a recommendation from the federal Oceans
Policy Commission to improve data collection relating to the estimated $30
billion sport fishing industry, according to NOAA. Hogarth said it's also a
response to long-standing criticism of the Marine Recreational Fishery
Statistics Survey, a system of dockside and telephone interviewing that
NOAA uses to estimate recreational catches.
"We've had some lawsuits, and we've had some recreational fishermen
threaten not to report catches," Hogarth said. Party and charter boat
captains from New Jersey and New York recently raised the possibility of a
survey boycott over summer flounder regulations.
The registry proposal doesn't set a price for individuals, but agency
documents note that fees collected to administer the database would be used
to support fisheries management.

Copyright © 2005 Asbury Park Press.
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Old 09-20-2005, 12:50 PM
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The only thing that would be good is that the powers that be would see just how many of "us" there are and maybe get some of the recognition we deserve.

If they did charge for a license, just imagine if we boycotted renewing it...they'd see that money being dragged away from them and just might jump through our hoops to get it back.

Always two sides to the coin...
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Old 09-20-2005, 01:24 PM
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I wouldnt mind paying for a license,if it was set in stone,that the money received would be used for the betterment of salt water fishing. Of course,this IS NewJersey,so I'm sure that the money collected will be used for other things that are desperatly needed! Like,the new fence around the Govs Mansion at IBSP.Dont forget the alarm system and video cameras for the same place,thats probably used a few times a year.Everyone knows that this would just be a tax that would be used for the general state fund,and nothing would be directed to fisheries management.After all,there is a budget defecit ya know!
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Old 09-20-2005, 01:33 PM
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The only thing that would be good is that the powers that be would see just how many of "us" there are and maybe get some of the recognition we deserve.

If they did charge for a license, just imagine if we boycotted renewing it...they'd see that money being dragged away from them and just might jump through our hoops to get it back.

Always two sides to the coin...


I agree with the concept of "registration" for saltwater angling. We, as recs, are quite frequently, at odds with the comms over quotas. The comms, are counted. We know how many there are, and what they are catching, and how much. Hold ON... yes there are some bad apples that don't play by the rules in both sectors and there will always be variables that disallow us perfection, but for the sake of argument, lets pretend all the comms are like Bentrod and Fishpicker, and that the fishermen that comprise the commercial sector are stand up cats like the 2 afore mentioned fisherman.
At present we have no concrete, exact numbers, of how many recreational anglers, are actually stressing the fish population. So when quotas are dished out between the 2 sectors, the science used, is only half accurate, because the total #'s of recs. is un-accounted for. It's pure speculation based upon a supposition. Had we, as recs, a means of being counted, and our full numbers assesed, I think politicians, whom are not scientists, would actually lend us more of an ear should our full numbers be accurately acquired, and assesed. Also, marine scientists would be able to plug our numbers into their science to get the whole picture.
Also, if something is good and well suited for the goose, it should be likewise for the gander!!! The comms. are liscened and counted. Out of fairness, and in the interest of conservation of the fish stocks, so too should the recs.

Until we have more accurate numbers pertaining to recreational angling participation, and harvest of this sector, the science used to dole out the quotas, will be nothing more than a shot in the dark, and unfair at best.

I say "Stand and be counted!!!"


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Old 09-20-2005, 01:39 PM
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I wouldnt mind paying for a license,if it was set in stone,that the money received would be used for the betterment of salt water fishing. Of course,this IS NewJersey,so I'm sure that the money collected will be used for other things that are desperatly needed! Like,the new fence around the Govs Mansion at IBSP.Dont forget the alarm system and video cameras for the same place,thats probably used a few times a year.Everyone knows that this would just be a tax that would be used for the general state fund,and nothing would be directed to fisheries management.After all,there is a budget defecit ya know!
We've been around this block before, my Friend!!!

BTW, shouldn't this conversation be saved until Feb, and relocated to the conservation forum, for when the fish are gone, and we all have a salt jones, and we need to vent by bashing comms, and the political system???


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Old 09-20-2005, 02:00 PM
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Fishtank,
Probably it should,but I get a little tired of hearing how all the recs are saints,the comms are all bad.Everyone screws up once in awhile,just the comms get reported,and the recs dont.Ya know what? I'm tired,about bed time,and I sholdnt read threads that get my blood pressure up before bed time...
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:18 PM
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Fishtank,
Probably it should,but I get a little tired of hearing how all the recs are saints,the comms are all bad.Everyone screws up once in awhile,just the comms get reported,and the recs dont.Ya know what? I'm tired,about bed time,and I sholdnt read threads that get my blood pressure up before bed time...

I hear ya' Man!!!
Sleep well!!!

I'm thinkin' about runnin' down this weekend. I'll look ya' up if I do!

Tightlines!!!
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Old 09-20-2005, 07:26 PM
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No state that has a saltwater license uses a survey or data collection as a result of it. They just take the money.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:36 PM
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What Wilbob said.IF the money was used for what it was intended for,OK,but it wouldnt be...
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Old 09-21-2005, 07:37 AM
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Personally at this point I don't care who get the money it would be a excellent building block for monitoring.
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:51 PM
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Are we supposing that every person that goes fishing on party boats or charters would need to be licensed? Not likely. Plus the number of people that would continue to fish (surf or otherwise) without a license would be a high percentage of the total.
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:11 PM
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Personally at this point I don't care who get the money it would be a excellent building block for monitoring.

Yeah, just like what they have done with the tuna permits which are now pelagic species permits. What has come of all the data and money that people have been forking over to NOAA for those permits???
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:25 PM
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That is why I said building block and not "the answer". The system that is in place right now is based on phone calls (MRFSS). I'm not talking about thousands of dollars I'm thinking twenty bucks or something a long those lines. Seniors Free thats the least that we could do.
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:47 PM
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Atlantic HMS Angling Permit (Recreational) Description All owners/operators of vessels fishing recreationally for and/or retaining regulated Atlantic Highly Migratory Species (Atlantic tunas, sharks, swordfish and billfish) in the Atlantic Ocean, including the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, must obtain an Atlantic Highly Migratory Species (HMS) permit. Similar to Atlantic tunas permits, 2005 Atlantic HMS permits cost $22.00 and will be valid from the date of issuance through May 31, 2006.


What is the $22 being used for? Bluefin tuna is practically a catch and release species.
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:06 PM
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It's a catch and release because they were able to figure out that the stocks were low. I'm all for a SWFL and license to sell they would product hard facts and figures that are desperately needed in managing the stocks.
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