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Old 12-30-1999, 08:02 PM
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I've got a great respect for the ocean and never take any chances when fishing from the surf but have wondered what would happen if your waders filled up w/ water. Are there any techniques you know of that could save a life???

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I've got a great respect for the ocean and never take any chances when fishing from the surf but have wondered what would happen if your waders filled up w/ water. Are there any techniques you know of that could save a life???

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Old 12-31-1999, 11:57 AM
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Eddie, pssst, got-a-minute?

What is going to save your life in waders is that you must not panic. The killer in waders is that you get bashed to death by the surf in the rocks. If you think about it the the water in your waders weighs the same as the water under them so it is, to use the vernacular of the casino, a "push". In other words you will continue to be weightless. Admittedly, you will be very heavy while trying to get out of the water so just stay there and have Bob D'Amico bring you some Chinease take-out and you'll be fine. Meanwhile....

A few years ago a big insurance company was defending a retailer who was sued by the estate of an athlete who claimed the store sold a pair of waders to a poor man who drowned while wading in the waders they sold him. The allegation was that the store/manufacturer should have warned the purchaser, their client, that wading was dangerous and to have worn a belt. The insurance co. paid me to test and testify these allegations. Well, old Frank went into the surf with waders, no belt, blowing guisers of water, trying to sink. Old Frank dove into the pool in waders, sans belt, trying to sink. Then we purposely held the waders open and let the water in to full, tippity top. It was like Frank was riding his rubber ducky. We ramble. Bottom line is that the waders will not sink you. (The egg rolls get soggie.) And, no matter how hard you try to fill them with water, you still float because there is always air trapped as you just cannot get it out. No, you don't float upside down. You are very comforatable and learn quyickly to take off the safety rope and dismiss the lifeguard very quyickly as it is no-brainer. I did this and know. I remember because I was paid handsomely by the nice man at the insurance company. What killed the person remains unknown because the critters eat everything when you are lost in the sea for more than a few hours. Coroners know this. My guess is that a head injury was involved.

When I was a boy everybody used to say that when you split a crow's tongue it would talk. Well, we caught a cripple and split his tongue with a razor blade and he bled to death. It taught me that often what people are saying -- that you will sink like a stone in waders -- is just not true. Eddie, you get the award for asking the most cogent question of '99. There is more but the insurance company spoiled me when dealing with this issue. It is also going into the next book. Pass me the pork fried rice and GUNGHOFATCHOY my man.

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Old 12-31-1999, 08:38 PM
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Frank, thanks for the reply and the answer to a question I have been wondering about. Now I don't have to jump into the surf to find for myself.

My wife also thanks you because she gave me a pair of Red Ball waders for Christmas and when she gave them to me she said "Don't sink and drown in my Christmas present." Now she has one less thing to worry about.

Have a great Y2K and happy hunting.

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Hi Frank,
About 1970 I performed a independent test at Nauset Beach which was of a similar nature. The test was not done at the request of an insurance company but as a result of a school of bass just at little too far out, a long curving finger bar and a rising tide.
I found out, as you did, that it was possible to swim in waders, even while holding a surf rod over your head. It was a bit more cumbersome than usual to do the side stroke. The real problem occurred when I reached shore. Water is very heavy! The problem was initially solved by bending at the waist and allowing gallons of saltwater to escape the waders. When I was finally high and dry - I had to lay on my back and elevate my legs to allow the remaining gallons of water to escape.
The only casualty from the whole experience was my friend, who was laughing hysterically right up until the moment that I hit him. (Just kidding, about hitting him.... I think?).
Happy New Year.
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Old 01-01-2000, 11:55 AM
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Eddie,
Something I forgot the last time, and it is in one of the books, is that the belt is a good idea because:
1. It redistributes weight similar to the way a backpack does. Not just on the shoulders.
2. It gives you a pocket for all your "stuff". George Carlin.
3. It gives you a waistline, which is important if you are a woman or want to catch one.

Mike, I would have taken the waders off for any swimming out to a bar. I had a similar experience on Long Bar around the same time. Down from the inlet, I was visiting a buddy and when the fish came up, I just grabbed one of his rigs and headed out. I think I took a 28 pounder, on a popper of all things. Now, you want to try and swim back with a hand in its gills and rod. I waited a long time for the tide to go down. Your remarks about getting the water out are why I mentioned "Take out". I figured somebody was bound to say, 'okay, you don't sink, but how do you get out of the water with a cupic foot (62#) of water in your waders?" Now, about talking crows ....

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Old 01-08-2000, 11:44 AM
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And this, men,
Along with being warmer, neoprenes float you like a duck though I didn't jump in with them. This more -- if you got the jack, you may as well have TWO pairs of waders. One for cold water and one for warm. In the end it is still cost effective because you wear them both less and they last longer as a result. (at least on paper) We live where if you go to RI the water is 70. But go southeast to the Cape and it is 55 or so. If I forget to change waders when changing spots, I really can tell the difference. You also end up with spairs for when a dog rips them off of you in shreds like it once happened to me. Just 4 cents.

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