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Old 06-23-2017, 12:58 PM
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Goggle "Pink Slime" if you want to follow a very HUGE 5 billion law suit where a meat packing house had to lay off 700 workers and close down plants that were supplying burger to much of the country. The suit is against one of the major networks. You won't see anything about it in any of the papers. Can you guess why???
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I can guess that I don't eat hamburger any longer.

I suppose that advertising $$ plays a role in what gets reported.
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Rob, you didn't go there. The law suit is about how harmless hamburger is because of a necessary process. The network is being sued because the packing house used a process required by the Fed for a safe food product. Incidently, when you cut a piece of meat that red stuff is pink, comes from blood. Red watered down becomes pinkish. You can add the word "slime" to imply degradation but there is nothing wrong with the burger. The lawsuit: $5 billiom with a B.
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ABC settled out of court on the 5.5 Billion suit in an undisclosed settlement with the meat packing house. This case is of interest to me because it is but one more example of irresponsible and damaging news reporting in many, not necessarily all, media coverage. My concern with the subject of responsible reporting goes back 16 years to when my wife and I were attacked by dogs while walking in the woods. My sentiments have nothing to do with President Trumps similar disdain for news reporting. I was victimized way before he ever dreamed of being President. Note that ABC's obvious compromise, and probably settlement loss, is not enjoying coverage in mainstream media. They can print your embarrassments and overlook their own

Keep in mind that there is a press card in my pocket; keep in mind that I recently published an article called "Is It True?" . It is apparent that this subject is of little interest to members here.
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ABC settled out of court on the 5.5 Billion suit in an undisclosed settlement with the meat packing house. This case is of interest to me because it is but one more example of irresponsible and damaging news reporting in many, not necessarily all, media coverage. My concern with the subject of responsible reporting goes back 16 years to when my wife and I were attacked by dogs while walking in the woods. My sentiments have nothing to do with President Trumps similar disdain for news reporting. I was victimized way before he ever dreamed of being President. Note that ABC's obvious compromise, and probably settlement loss, is not enjoying coverage in mainstream media. They can print your embarrassments and overlook their own

Keep in mind that there is a press card in my pocket; keep in mind that I recently published an article called "Is It True?" . It is apparent that this subject is of little interest to members here.
Where is it published?
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Where is it published?
Midwest newspapers. The whole story can be called up by goggling "Pink Slime". They won't talk about it in the liberal east because it is an embarrassment. And ABC will not divulge the terms of the settlement. You can bet ABC lost which implies that the meat packing house had a strong case. The burger making company lost billions and laid off 700 employees.
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Frank,

Getting back to Pink Slime, I can see that there is a lot of hyperbole on the part of MSM (edit: aka the media) (I guess ABC in this case?) regarding "pink slime" and for that, they will pay dearly.

However, it's still not clear that the meat industry is being entirely truthful in it's claim that they are using a well accepted process either.

To say that, as a whole, the meat processing industry never tries to push the envelope just seems preposterous after my 15 minute reading on the internet regarding "pink slime" and it's predecessor MSM, in this context "Mechanically Separated Meat". So without going into that entirely unnecessary digression into the meat business, let me just reiterate: for me, I put processed food distributors just a single notch above the media with regards to "truth in advertising".
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Sorry that you feel that way, Rob. People in the food business are required by Federal law to do certain things to protect the quality of their product and the chemical additive is not some wild-XXX idea they dreamed up. In agreement with government requirements, the packing house simply did what they legally had to. ABC, on the other hand, degraded public confidence by labeling it "pink slime" instead of something more accurate like "legally treated for freshness/preservation". Of course when food contains blood like fresh meat and you rinse the red down it turns pink. It is slimy because all meat is slimy if its wet. I have cut for consumption a hundred deer and they all end up pink and slimy We just call it venison. Our friends would never come for dinner if we called it "slimy pink deer." N'est pas?
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Frank,

There is little resemblance in substance between your fresh venison and what a meat packer sells as Mechanically Separated Meat (MSM) or it's decendent Boneless Lean Beef Trimmings (BLBT) aka "Pink Slime"

It is not true that Pink Slime is simply slimy "normal" meat.... it would be like processing everything of the deer you discard for your main meal, but making it look like "normal" venison and then serving it to your guests as "fresh".

That said, it is edible and legal (currently) for the processors to use, but I don't bring anything containing these beef or meat byproducts under my roof, nor consciously consume any of it anywhere.
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Rob, I respect your opinion and desires on this. If the packing house, in your opinion, is doing the wrong thing, they still won and got an undisclosed settlement from ABC. That has been my point all along.

Myself, I still love a juicy burger. And, about a year ago, I had some dead money with my broker -- $9,000 -- and I told him to buy McDonalds with it; it is now $13,400. Wish I had bought more.

My wife makes "sliders" which are venison burger, cheese and bacon. She serves them at parties and our guests flip. We are doing one tomorrow with a member from here. If you were living closer I would invite you. Its been years but D'Amico has been here for our venison burgers. Friends call me the Wimpy of the striper surf.
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Frank, I understand the settlement with ABC and realize that's the crux of the story here w.r.t. to the general subject "media bias".

I'd try venison burger in an instant since it's been about 45 years since I've had venison (last I recall was my mother serving some my dad shot) but I'll pass on any other store bought ground meat, except organic, nowadays (well, if I was eating any meat )

Organic is not allowed to contain MSM/BLBT (or also what I found it called "Lean Finely Textured Beef")
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Rob, I thought of you yesterday when we defrosted venison meat bags for the making of a batch of burger. The defrosted meat was pink, it had pink water in it and it was slimy. I made sure that I didn't let a reporter see what we were doing or the headline would have read:

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Resistance to "processed food" is common because people are naturally sensitive about what they eat. I share that sentiment. However, I try to remind myself that processing is necessary for an industry faced with providing food for 400 million people. Even a hotdog is processed. Understanding of these realities is commonly lacking in the general public. People who hunt and consume their game have mulled these principals enough to disregard these sensitives for themselves. I used to work with a hunting teacher who often talked to his students in autumn of the impending "spam season."

BTW, I happen to love Spam.
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Resistance to "processed food" is common because people are naturally sensitive about what they eat. I share that sentiment. However, I try to remind myself that processing is necessary for an industry faced with providing food for 400 million people. Even a hotdog is processed. Understanding of these realities is commonly lacking in the general public. People who hunt and consume their game have mulled these principals enough to disregard these sensitives for themselves. I used to work with a hunting teacher who often talked to his students in autumn of the impending "spam season."

BTW, I happen to love Spam.
Frank, I've always been convinced that Spam is God's processed meat...he'd rather have us eat that over bologna or hot dogs...
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