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Old 11-05-2012, 11:06 AM
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Hi all, been a while but I wanted to share this one.... My "secret plan" for catching a 50# bass (or even a 25# bass) has been and continues to be: most every Friday from June to December after work drive 200+ miles to the surf to fish all night, sleep for 1-2 hrs in my hatchback at a rest stop and drive home to recover the rest of the weekend. How my wonderful wife puts up with this compulsive behavior is beyond me. So when I finally caught my first 20# bass this summer, I was exulting to a non-fisherman acquaintence who proceeded to tell me that he had been invited earlier in the summer to his uncle's in eastern LI and he grudgingly agreed to spend an afternoon fishing on his uncle's boat. They went out and snagged "some kind of fish", he told me, which they then live-lined. On his first cast he caught a 49# bass. When I told him Ive been fishing for years -exclusively from shore- and have yet to catch a bass half that size, he nonchalantly told me "we weighted it, and it was 49#", missing my point that 1. I never heard of anyone admitting to catching a 49# rather than call it a fifty, and 2. until I brought the subject up he hadnt even thought to tell me he caught it in the first place.
I think it gets me a bit that people that dont even care about fishing can so easily accomplish, by boarding a boat, what I can only - so far - dream about from shore.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:42 AM
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I have been fishing for years - only one time from a boat(my fathers goomad's family had a boat) and I count the number of Stripers I caught on two hands the biggest being 32lbs. A bunch of guys I work with in Philly went out last year on fishing/drinking trip to the Delaware bay and one guy caught "a big ugly fish" that weighed 64lbs - it was even in the newspaper, his first fish he ever caught and it was a 64lb Striper! Goes to show you that just about anyone can get lucky on a boat.
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:42 AM
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I have been fishing for years - only one time from a boat(my fathers goomad's family had a boat) and I count the number of Stripers I caught on two hands the biggest being 32lbs. A bunch of guys I work with in Philly went out last year on fishing/drinking trip to the Delaware bay and one guy caught "a big ugly fish" that weighed 64lbs - it was even in the newspaper, his first fish he ever caught and it was a 64lb Striper! Goes to show you that just about anyone can get lucky on a boat.
while true, Mr. Smarty also recounts "lady luck" in the surf in 'The Trophy Striper'
and I've recounted my friend who caught a 30-lber on his second successful trip to the surf. I had gotten him into small blues his first trip. I've yet to break 20 from the surf.

nonetheless, there is absolutely no denying that it is easier to get into large fish from a boat than the surf, and any boater who claims otherwise is just being disingenuous.

however, there are definitely serious skills that must be learned to be a successful boat "captain"... and by that I don't mean having a captain's license but rather the owner/operator of the boat, not the "johnny grab that" passenger along for the ride.

I would say that learning the back bays to score stripers throughout the season takes as much dedicated learning as any surf angler could possibly entertain. Guys that have grown up fishing the back down here have many spots learned and earned through old fashion "putting in the time", keeping logs, and being sharp. I know guys who can handle boats in serious conditions that would rival any jetty jumper...

Nevertheless, to Frank's point (I think) this is "Striper Surf . com" and Frank's forum of all places should primarily be a refuge for Surf anglers.

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Old 11-06-2012, 04:32 PM
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And Rob, to say nothing of the dedicated surf fisherman who gets seasick while pushing his great-grandson on the swings in the park -- ME!
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Old 11-06-2012, 11:23 PM
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I had a boat on the Chesapeake for a couple of years and it was easy to catch fish. Just go to the drop-offs and chum. Actually, it probably had very little to do with the drops and more to do with the fact the fish were conditioned to come to certain spots simply because that's where they got fed - chum.

I'm glad I sold my boat. There is nothing better than standing on the beach with my son casting, hearing the waves break & seagulls, and having my two little girls building sand castles.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:13 PM
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I had hoped this thread would move down the page and end up forgotten. We actually almost made it. This subject is so offensive to me, so tiresome, so putting a taste in my mouth. I can't say any more than what I have already covered. And I flat out refuse to repeat my views and sentiments. When I want a beer and the bartender is sullen while drawing a flat brew, I just leave and never stop there again. I swore I would never play this card: If you don't like me, don't reap any particular joy in coming here, nobody is holding a gun to your head.
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:33 AM
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This anniversarey week I have had this nagging sense that I have said a lot of things before. When I tripped on this thread about Boat Fishermen and boat fishing, I found much of what I have been saying. In most ways this thread says how I feel, even beg for understanding. We really could drop the "September 1999" thread if you reread this. Sure it is loaded with hip shots and hang fires. So .......
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Old 09-04-2013, 01:53 PM
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It's a good read Frank. I'm going to fish from a boat for stripers Sunday....that is all.
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Frank, "something" reminded me;... I have a sea robin charter on Sunday. I will let you know how it works out!
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Jon you should eat a fish sandwich before getting on the boat, that way you can "chum" while you are bent over the side...
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Jon you should eat a fish sandwich before getting on the boat, that way you can "chum" while you are bent over the side...
I would rather he eat clams, bunker, mackerel, squid, etc., etc.
(I will "provide" once he is out on the waves).....JC
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:45 PM
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Three things regarding the above.

1. I am a pro sea robin fisherman.
2. All I eat are the bait species JC mentions.
3. I would be sad if I didn't allow JC the pleasure of mocking my girly stomach to all of SS friends.

I plan on doing some pre-gaming to ensure I am ready to keep the "slick" going.

To the subject of this thread, I feel that I may end up getting a boat just to do what I want, which is catch fish. To continue surf fishing at the level that I previously enjoyed would call for neglecting my child, and wife or worse (I have a nasty habit of falling asleep on the road) The place I know the best (canal) will likely never change and I've had a good run there, and at the end of the day I want to be able to catch fish, with minimal impact to my family. I can be in prime bass water with a boat in a hour from my home. Whereas I need to drive over three hours to reach the canal.

I just missed out on a great boat, 19' starcraft, with a seemingly decent 90hp outboard for 3300, to put it in perspective I nearly own that dollar amount in jigs for the canal. The trade offs have been realized!
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:54 AM
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For years I have left an opening for those who are distressed by my disdain for boat fishing and nobody ever picked up on it. I can assure you that it is the reason why so many shore fishermen like myself stay on the beach. Hint, hint .....
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I always thought the anti-boat thing was harmless, in good fun, and my guess is nearly everyone feels the same way. You clearly show respect for those who know what they are doing in boats. It is only the transplanted surf googans that get the comments in their direction.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:07 PM
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I think that seasickeness is universal because it is unnatural to be bounding in a vessel. But I also learned that if a person is granted control of the vessel, they are either distracted enought to forget what is happening or feel a call to duty.

One time, as a Seman Appprentice on watch in the north Atlantic on a Destroyer Escort, USS Johnny Hutchins, the OD felt sorry for me and offered me the helm right when I was pukin big time. Once I could steer the vessel, I felt like I was in control I felt like I was a sailor, like it was where I belonged. I recovered, apparently because I believed that it was my duty. He was an old junior officer, maybe ten years my senior, say, nearly 30. When you are sick that is a hard thing to change. But the head is a big part. Men who make their living on and at the sea deserve our respect.
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