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I recently read in an issue of Trout magazine a description of the Steelhead's "life history", which is apparently a lot more diverse than any salmon species. The life history, actually plural life histories, references the diversity of spawning life cycles within a single population. The example they gave was with respect to one of the river populations, perhaps Columbia river, where the *same* genetic rainbows will have multiple life histories: some staying freshwater all the time, some smolting within a particular season or the other, some taking a shorter time (like a year or shorter to smolt: ie move to saltwater, if I have it correct), or longer etc.


Whereas all Salmon apparently have 1 life history per species: a pink will live 2 years, including smolting, growing and returning to spawn; others longer, but a single cycle.


I'm not sure about stripers, but given the diversity of populations running from the maritimes down to Florida, it would seem they have more flexibility w.r.t. to temperature, salinity, whatever to successfully spawn than any Salmon.


Adds another challenge to the management process, I would think. Interesting to think about (to me) anyhow.
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Salmon is a generic term for a number of species. Steelhead do not function the same way as pinks, nor do salmo solar, aka Atlantic salmon, even remotely function like any other salmon species. There is some behavuoral similarity in the landlocked salmon with sea-run Atlantic salmon; steelhead and rainbows; brown trout and sea trout. Hatchery breeding experiments have yielded some sterile "mules" but these do not happen naturally in the wilds.

There are also some cultural, call them man made, differences. For instance some parts of the world it is okay to use lures for Atlantic salmon while other places fly fishing is the only accepted way to fish. Upstate New York and other Great lakes locations it is okay to lift or snag Pacific salmon. They would cut your nuts off for doing that in any Atlantic salmon river (probably with a dull knife).
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/2018...8859397147688/

https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=ca

"Miramichi spawning population down 2/3rds due to over fishing, poor fish handling and over-wintering die off in Labrador etc.

Anglers should be just as concerned about how successful the previous spawns have been and how many of those young have survived from each year class as they are the future of the population."

Recent news from the media. The newspaper is fire walled.
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I have no exposure to Maratime Canada but I can say that the salmon/striped bass issues seem to generate a lot of hostility. The salmon anglers I've known dispise stripers viewing them as competing unfairly with salmon while consuming salmon smolts. Salmon fishing in Maine I have seen anglers rip the gills of a striper before releasing it. Why would it be any different in New Brunswick? Local press in Canada can seem supportive of striper management but what is printed and what is thought privately can be two different things. Keep in mind all regions have a certain amount of folk science passed generation to generation which is right up there with the voodoo medicine of Tanganyika.
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All the striper orgs in the states are expressing concern over declining striper stocks. Might it be that warming has rerouted bass to summering farther north? The maratimes are loaded with bass and I know our daughter has had great striper fishing in Maine. Of course my problem is that I don't believe nor trust anybody. Also, other Maine contacts are also saying that they have never seen such great striper fishing.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ence-1.5040052

Also, the FLY FISHERMAN April 2019 ISSUE has a where to go piece on the Miramichi bass written before the pop drop news broke.
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A lot of what is being said is contradictory. It appears Canadian fisheries management is as poorly informed as that of the U.S. I still would like a better grip on stock identification for the Maritimes. Are they losing U.S. fish or losing their own fish. And is anyone trying to find out?
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Again the bean counters assessing striper populations are resorting to counting the catches instead of looking further into stock identification and then examining the rivers of origin. Contemperary striper management is simply asking a whole bunch of people how the fishing has been. Fourth grade wildlife management.
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https://www.capebretonpost.com/livin...lqmNo.facebook

There is info here that is new to me.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2018...9307145436246/

Beautiful bass from St John system but terrible fish handling.
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The material in this thread is welcome and certainly of interest but a lot of it is contradictory. On one hand stripers are so abundant they threaten smolt salmon; on the other there has been a huge drop in striper numbers. And while I am still trying to decide what to trust, I get the feeling that columnists don't know much about the true numbers. Laughingly might Maratime outdoor reporters just creating copy what with all this speculation about striper numbers? Such wild swings are not natural or even precedented in most regions. Puts these reports into question.
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I agree, Frank. It still seems that historically these fish a lived together, so while mankind has introduced imbalances that have caused a lot of population swings, ultimately we just don't know. As you said elsewhere about junk science on fisheries management: just taking angler surveys.
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