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Old 02-24-2012, 11:34 AM
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No disagreement with Jason's explanation. I always expressed the difference in water temperature as a line of different temps on either side of Monomoy which is as much as 10 degrees in summer. East side is colder.
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Thanks Jason..interesting..

Quincy Bay must have been quite a scene in the 1970's and before. Allot of people would drive up from N.Y. to fish there.

I had a small boat in the 1980's. Back then with a 14" minimum on fluke and no limit on flounder..there was no need to be an ocean fisherman if you like eating flatfish..unlike these days.

During May, we would try for weakfish in the morning. Then anchor up and chum for flounder. In retropect, limit restrictions were needed back then. Look at the fishery now..
Montauk, I used to fish your area, mostly in the 70s. Used to launch a garvey off Alhambra Rd. to access the back bay...March and April...outgoing, afternoon tide we'd get a bushel basket of flounder (less on the incoming, that time of year). I almost feel guilty about taking that many back then, but I didn't go too often and nothing went to waste. Halloween time we'd have a repeat of the spring, but we'd fish the southern end of that same bay.
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In my lifetime there has been a lot of shifting positions in various fish species. Years of pollock or flatfish or weakfish. They call these changes cycles but I think tht over-simplifies it.
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A sight I have never seen but would love to..and more than one person has told me of witnessing it..was a large striper chasing down a fluke in hot pursuit..on the surface!! Both are boat fishermen, fish frequently, and believe it or not..don't lie.
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I saw the same thing one morning in Vinyard Sound when I was living and fishing Cape Cod. I know it happens frequently. They love Winter flounders too. I saw it many times in Hampton Harbor (NH) when I launched and fished out of there. Hampton estuary is a nursery for W.flounder and Striper slove to eat them. Caught many there that, when cleaned, had 2-3 in their stomachs.
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I've been on some mean winter flounder trips on the bay in March. Back in those days of 40+ years ago we always had plenty of fortification to fend off the elements. One trip two of our buddies went into the drink when our "skipper" tried to turn the boat around in the inlet. I can still remember yelling "Jack --- don't do it" before we got damned near rolled. We got pushed back into the bay with Walt and Charlie flailing around in 40 degree water with heavy clothing 100 yds away.

The boat had rolled so far that that little Gray marine engine didn't want to restart. I'm not sure how it all ended well but we did get back to them and hauled them back into the garvey. It was a very good thing that we were young and strong.

I think I only made one winter flounder trip after that --- realized that we did catch bushel baskets full of the poor things --- some of them that we could read the newspaper through --- and i don't give a damn for eating flounder anyway.

It is nice to get on the water and I'm happy for folks who like to catch and eat winter flounder --- but we'll hold out for the bass or the red in April. Ok --- amy just wet a line in March!
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A sight I have never seen but would love to..and more than one person has told me of witnessing it..was a large striper chasing down a fluke in hot pursuit..on the surface!! Both are boat fishermen, fish frequently, and believe it or not..don't lie.
My son had that happen to him several years ago fluke fishing in the Point Pleasant canal. He hooked a fluke, maybe 12 inches, and as he was reeling it in, a stiper about 36 or 38 inches started chasing it. Got it in the boat just as the striper was going to chomp down. Said he thought about live lining the fluke, but figured with his luck, Fish and Game would be sitting on the side of the Canal watching him...
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ragman, that's really neat..but what I was talking about was a striper chasing down a fluke that wasn't attached to a line. The retired folk that fish at least 4 days a week in the back bays apparently witness this..(it's daytime and they fish during the week where there is little boat traffic to scare the bass).
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All good stories which prove that anything eats anything in the ocean. One year there wre a bunch of schoolies that all had tail bites apparntly from bluefish. I have foul-hooked a snapper blue that I later live lined to a feeding striper. Its about size ....
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Okay, we have determined, and all agree, that winter flounder are scarce in Southern New England and doing well above the Cape. Why?
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Why, because they are a species of the northwest Atlantic and seldom travel south of the Cape. It's like Weakfish being a species of the southwest Atlantic and seldom traveling north of the Cape...I really don't know but, doesn't that sound good?
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I spoke to my "poacher friend" on Long Island today and he told me that as soon as the rec boats get into some cod off of Long Beach or Jones Beach the draggers move in over night and mop them up. He said that the guy at Point Lookout Fish Packing, Bruce Larson, surfs the internet web sites where recreational fishermen brag about the fish they caught and where. Then it a simple matter for Bruce to direct his little dragger fleet to the pile!

As for why the flounder hardly exist anymore south of The Cape: Aside from draggers simply being too efficient, the flounder can't spawn anymore. Virtually ALL of the marshes, wetlands and estuary's where flounder fry live out their first year are built over sewers that have drainage spewing into them from every major roadway which is connected to every manicured lawn, full of pesticideds and other chemicals.
When the State of Ma. cleaned up Boston Harbor 20 years ago the flounder came back. It can happen if we try but in the areas around Ct, NY and NJ where there was once excellent winter flounder fishing they have not even begun to start cleaning up their mess!

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Did anyone here see the OTW "Boston Harbor Flounder TV Shoot" aired yesterday on Channel 53 you need to have Comcast SportsNet ??? What did you think?
It will air again on Friday the 16th at 1 PM in case you missed it.........JC
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I don't have New England T.V...
but would like to see your show. Which episode are you on?? Might purchase some OTW DVDs from their website.
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I don't have New England T.V...
but would like to see your show. Which episode are you on?? Might purchase some OTW DVDs from their website.

Google: "OTW TV: Boston Harbor Blackbacks"

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OTW TV Producer Matt Rissell was kind enough to write up another blog post from the TV Shoot they filmed this week. JTF
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