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Old 01-06-2018, 01:10 PM
mvsusaf mvsusaf is online now
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A late neighbor who was quite well known and regarded as an excellent surf fisherman in Sea Bright, NJ always used the smallest Spro swivel to connect leader to main line.
Personally I find it difficult to do due to eyesight and arthritic fingers now. I stick with uni to uni to join fluoro to braid.
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Old 01-06-2018, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: To Shock or Knot to Shock.....

I do tie line to line and do use 30' of shock leader for a couple of reasons. I've not had knot failures but have had line breaks where my line rubbed to the point of failure. This is partly due to laziness as I know to replace the line when it has gotten badly rubbed on a sandbar but sometimes don't do it as frequently as I should.
Every rig I use has the weight at the end of the line and I try to get as much drop as I can handle. My setup is generally 17 or 20lb running line with 40lb shock leader and my rigs are tied with 100lb leader. I fishing for big drum and will encounter sharks frequently. Sometimes that setup will hold up to a shark and other times not.
If I'm able to cast over a bar, where it is frequently good fishing, I do try to keep an eye on the running line as it too can get scuffed on the bar.
Sometimes it is hard to find that rip structure, sometimes hitting the bar and pulling just back to the dropoff works and other times the fish are on the far side. For hours spent I don't catch as much as many others so I'm not saying what I do is correct.

And no....I could not care less about IFGA rules!

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Old 01-06-2018, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: To Shock or Knot to Shock.....

No, I don't care about IFGA rules, but was only pointing out when/if/why a "bite tippet" after a lower lb test tippet would "make sense" to someone.

For whatever egotistical, whatever, reason(s), some folks chase after these things, either for state for other records.

On the other hand, I could have won part of the local tackle shop's "Fall Derby" pool (which I had entered because it also gives you 4WD access to a larger portion of beach for the fall) with a 2 lb bluefish. Eh? Who needs the IFGA. Dont think a "bite tippet" would've even been needed
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Old 01-08-2018, 09:03 AM
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Default Re: To Shock or Knot to Shock.....

I like a 4-5 foot mono leader tied to a barrel swivel, tied to the braid. I feel more comfortable with this than with a line to line connection. It is the kind of thing I can do in the dark and not worry about it. The mono leader gives some shock cushion, abrasion resistance, and something to grab onto when landing a fish. The heaviest lures I've thrown are 6-8 ounces (9 inch shad)...for long casts with 8+bait I defer to the experts.
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Old 01-08-2018, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: To Shock or Knot to Shock.....

I think that the Long Island surfcasters propensity for all using 30 foot shock leaders tied line to line came from some recommendation originating with a luminary -- either a Long Island writer or Al Bentsen. I only know they were all doing it and they all started doing it at the same time.
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