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Old 10-22-2012, 12:05 PM
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Hi Frank

I would like to know why you show so much disdain and animosity toward boat fisherman,you went as far as to call it cheating. I get the impression your not kidding.

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Old 10-22-2012, 12:43 PM
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This is a surfcasting site and I am a surfcasting writer. Of course, and you are suppose to understand that here, it is an unkind generalization which tends to paint all boatmen with the same brush. Try to understand the differences between fishing the beach and boat fishing which I am sure you are well acquinted. In any given year there will be 10 fish over 50 pounds caught on the striper coast for each one in the striper surf. This has held true the entire time such fish have been counted. You are supposed to understand, as the rest of us do, that the generalization has exceptions, like yourself, Jason Colby, Ray Jobin and many more. Keep in mind as well that people fishing in boats get there a lot sooner than those of us who walk the beaches.

I have been fishing for bass for over 60 years. Like you, I have seen a lot of things re behaviour, sentiment, failure, pride and resourcefullness. All my beach life I have watched the dismal failure of surfcasters who out of frustration acquired a boat and once clear of the shore, became high-liners. They couldn't get the clapp in a Panama whorehouse when they were on the beach but now that they are on their boat bailing more stripers than most surfmen could ever imagine, they strut. It is a phenom that I have witnessed all my life. There are things in the world that have their place. And this is stripersurf.com and it would be inappropriate for us to advocate boat fishing for stripers, though I think we have gone out of our way to welcome those among us who make their own choices. That boat fishing is cheating was voiced first by prominent surfman and author Alberto Knie, more in the spirit of humor than any true hostility. And in that same spirit I supported and laughed about it. We do not plan to change.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:53 PM
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Well now. Perhaps we all should take a deep breath and then take a look at the table of contents to this whole forum called Striper Surf. Unless I read it wrong, we have eight of nine forums not addressing surf casting for the rest of us non purists. Take a look:
1)Main Forum in which everything is discussed
2)Ask Frank
3)Kayak Fishing
4)Boating Forum
5)Flyfishing the Salt
6)Charter & Party Boats
7)Commercial-Recreational-Conservation
8)RFA
9)Buy & Sell

Frank, I agree with Shurbet, you show great disdain and contempt for anyone who posts anything about fishing from a boat. That makes me feel uncomfortable and sometimes unwanted here. I'm sure it makes others feel the same too - especially the newbys you seek to help.

Sometimes your treatment of non purist surf fishermen takes me back to the 50's and 60's when many popular outdoor writers had no use for anyone who didn't fish with a fly rod and fished for anything other than trout or Atlantic salmon.

I'm 77 years old and have been saltwater fishing for about 67 of those years. I cut my teeth in saltwater surf fishing and always have maintained a great love for it. I was fortunate in that I nearly always had access to or owned a small boat and I fished from it. Over my 67 years fishing, about half the time it has been surfcasting, the other half from boats, I derive equal pleasure from each. I don't feel one method is superior to the other.

You are an acknowledged expert in the surf. I've known you for years and respect and like you for those unique skills. Over the years I have arranged for you to speak befor a couple of sportsman and conservation groups because you always brought a message that everyone could learn from and enjoy.

In my 67 years experience I have never felt that either group, surf fishermen or boat fishermen was anything but equal to the other - in every way. There are googans in the surf and in the boats. There are very outstanding sportsmen in both group. There are conservationists in both groups. There are rotten dirty bastards in both groups. There are cheats, liars, frauds and bullys in both groups.

Perhaps you should have the name of your forum changed to "ASK FRANK ABOUT SURF FISHING". If you feel as strongly as you do, have the monitors delete anything about boat fishing that's posted. After all, there are eight other forums on Surfcaster.com that cover just about everything else. Or, make a sustained effort not to denigrate posts by boat fishermen or those of us who enjoy different methods equally.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:11 PM
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I guess I can step in here...

As far as the original question I believe it was just wondering why Frank has the opinion he does of boat fishing. He answered it quite well, and also threw in some humor as he always does with his explaination.
As far as the points Bill brings up...
Yes, this site has numerous sections pertaining to more than surfcasting, as any fishing board does. You can find just about anyhing pertaining to fishing at Stripersurf.com that might interest you. You find your niche, and enjoy it, read whatever you like.
That being said, Frank's forum is a place for folks to ask questions of an accomplished surfcaster for striped bass. He has his opinions, like the rest of us do. Yes, striper fishing goes across different lines (boat, surf, pier, etc), but I think folks come to his forum for surfcasting. They might not realize at first that his love is surfcasting, but they get the idea pretty quick. I cant recall a single time he made somone feel unwelcome, unless that person said or did something to bring that on themselves. He is a pretty honest guy.
I welcome any criticism of my post, as always...
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Old 10-23-2012, 03:43 AM
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I wish that everyone who reads this forum would have the opportunity to sit down with Frank and Joyce Daignault with a glass of vino. I guarantee that you would not only learn a lot about fishing, hunting and life in general but you would be in stitches.

What makes this forum so popular is Frank. Not for nothing he calls himself "Mr. Smarty Pants" and I know from hundreds of phone calls over the years that visitors appreciate, not simply his humor but his writing style and willingness to share his knowledge and experience.

Show me a man on any other fishing website that has shared more information and helped more fishermen over the last +13 years! As of this moment Frank has made 23,531 posts, that's 1,1810 per year or 34.8 per week! And I should add that over those 13 years very, very few posts have been deleted, far less than the Main Forum or any of the regional fishing forums. In fact Frank does not delete anything on his own, if there is a post that he finds troublesome he will ask Rags or the other moderators to review it for their opinion. Trust me in the early days of "Ask Frank" he was "targeted" and took a lot of abuse from men who are jealous of his success, as a fisherman and author. Once they realized that he wouldn't "take the bait," they went away.

Shurbet's post was meant to be "provocative," I think Frank's response was excellent and it certainly made me laugh...
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:58 AM
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I think Frank has a right to his opinion, just as the rest of us do. I always get a chuckle at his jabs at boat fishermen. I love fishing from shore, but also from kayaks, boats or whatever, and I don't get offended if Frank does not approve.

I don't think Frank needs to be politically correct, or worry about what folks may think, rather I would prefer his unfiltered, brutally honest way of getting his point accross. I don't always agree with him, but thoroughly enjoy reading his take on things.

P.S. My boat is under constuction and will be ready for next season!
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This is a surfcasting site and I am a surfcasting writer. Of course, and you are suppose to understand that here, it is an unkind generalization which tends to paint all boatmen with the same brush. Try to understand the differences between fishing the beach and boat fishing which I am sure you are well acquinted. In any given year there will be 10 fish over 50 pounds caught on the striper coast for each one in the striper surf. This has held true the entire time such fish have been counted. You are supposed to understand, as the rest of us do, that the generalization has exceptions, like yourself, Jason Colby, Ray Jobin and many more. Keep in mind as well that people fishing in boats get there a lot sooner than those of us who walk the beaches.

I have been fishing for bass for over 60 years. Like you, I have seen a lot of things re behaviour, sentiment, failure, pride and resourcefullness. All my beach life I have watched the dismal failure of surfcasters who out of frustration acquired a boat and once clear of the shore, became high-liners. They couldn't get the clapp in a Panama whorehouse when they were on the beach but now that they are on their boat bailing more stripers than most surfmen could ever imagine, they strut. It is a phenom that I have witnessed all my life. There are things in the world that have their place. And this is stripersurf.com and it would be inappropriate for us to advocate boat fishing for stripers, though I think we have gone out of our way to welcome those among us who make their own choices. That boat fishing is cheating was voiced first by prominent surfman and author Alberto Knie, more in the spirit of humor than any true hostility. And in that same spirit I supported and laughed about it. We do not plan to change.
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I don't think you can label it cheating per say. Cheating implies there's a a level board and some guy goes to the bathroom to use a computer to win a chess match. If you're striper fishing in a boat I always just assumed you had some sort of disability: out of shape, dim-witted, lazy, afraid of the dark or all of the above. Who given the choice would opt for the lesser form of a given discipline. What kind of guy struts around a bowling alley who has the bumpers on?
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Old 07-14-2015, 04:55 PM
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Guys, including Ahab. Stop taking this subject so seriously. This anti-boat thing is just a friendly fun jab that is consistent with what we do here. Relax!!!!! I don't care what people do. I hate having to explain what is largely an identity schict. The cheating thing is part of the show.
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Guys, including Ahab. Stop taking this subject so seriously. This anti-boat thing is just a friendly fun jab that is consistent with what we do here. Relax!!!!! I don't care what people do. I hate having to explain what is largely an identity schict. The cheating thing is part of the show.
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Guys, including Ahab. Stop taking this subject so seriously. This anti-boat thing is just a friendly fun jab that is consistent with what we do here. Relax!!!!! I don't care what people do. I hate having to explain what is largely an identity schict. The cheating thing is part of the show.


Not taking it too seriously - just thought I would toss in a jab myself that is all.

I like the colorful language it brings out in return.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:13 PM
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Why do I look at these things in a simpler way?: It is Frank's ball field and Frank's ball and bat so he can make the rules. If you do not like it hit the road!.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:27 PM
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For me theres something gratifying about doing it the hard way. With todays electronics and a good chart I could easily put myself on more bass than I've ever seen on shore. It really can be that easy. Heck spend the right amount of coin on your electronics and you can see birds working on radar...
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For me theres something gratifying about doing it the hard way. With todays electronics and a good chart I could easily put myself on more bass than I've ever seen on shore. It really can be that easy. Heck spend the right amount of coin on your electronics and you can see birds working on radar...
Exactly. Boatmen have always had a huge and distinctive advantage over the surf rats. With todays technology, the gap has widened even further. No matter how you try to defend it, catching fish on a boat is not a great accomplishment. I don't hate boat fisherman, but to me its a completely different sport/hobby and not even remotely similar to what we as surfmen do.
I respectfully disagree with the gentleman who said surf fisherman and boat fisherman are equal in every way. I'm not saying one group is superior to the other but the equipment, tactics, mindset, physical demands ect.... make these two groups COMPLETELY different in every way.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:56 PM
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Not to mention when you hook a big girl on shore you generally cant move much, maybe left tp right some. On a boat you can run down a bass quickly making landing a big one that much easier. However the main thing is you can easily find fish. On shore I have to fish to find fish most times, especially at night. There is a limited area to fish and it is generally more dangerous in the surf.

My only issues are when boats get within casting range of me blitz or not. If I owned a boat I am going to take advantage and fish the well known rips instead of bothering some guys plying the surf.

I do enjoy doing either though, both are fun, boat is easier.
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