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Old 06-28-2012, 11:49 AM
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I'm bummed.

That is all
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:05 PM
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also... just look at this picture... what is *wrong* with people? I don't get it...

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Old 06-28-2012, 08:44 PM
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Sadly..it's true: It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices."

But he's still the biggest idiot that ever lived.


Roberts-led majority cites taxing power in decision to uphold health
care law

By Lee Ross <http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/lee-ross/index.html>

Published June 28, 2012

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In the words of one Supreme Court justice, Thursday's historic ruling
leaves the controversial health care overhaul "largely unscathed" -- but
only by the slimmest of margins in the 5-4 ruling that put Chief Justice
John Roberts in line with the court's more liberal members.

Though it seemed an odd alliance, with the conservative Roberts ruling
that President Obama's signature domestic policy achievement should
stand, the court's majority used a highly technical argument. And
Roberts offered several notable disclaimers.

*The chief justice, while he may take heat from his conservative peers
for the ruling, said the decision on the wisdom of the law will
ultimately be left to the voters. "We do not consider whether the act
embodies sound policies," he wrote. "That judgment is entrusted to the
nation's elected leaders."*

Roberts went on to say the court's role is to interpret the law, not
make policy judgments which is for lawmakers "who can be thrown out of
office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect
the people from the consequences of their political choices."

The decision to uphold ObamaCare and its individual mandate forcing
people to buy health insurance was based on the federal government's
taxing authority rather than other powers.

The Roberts majority determined that Congress deserved reasonable
deference on the determination of whether the cost incurred for
non-compliance with the individual mandate to obtain insurance was a tax
or a penalty.

"Congress's authority under the taxing power is limited to requiring an
individual to pay money into the Federal Treasury, no more. If a tax is
properly paid, the Government has no power to compel or punish
individuals subject to it. We do not make light of the severe burden
that taxation -- especially taxation motivated by a regulatory purpose
-- can impose. But imposition of a tax nonetheless leaves an individual
with a lawful choice to do or not do a certain act, so long as he is
willing to pay a tax levied on that choice," the majority wrote.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg also spoke from the bench in part to say
that while she and the other three members of the court appointed by
Democratic presidents agreed with the ultimate outcome of the case, they
would have preferred to see the decision based on the government's power
to regulate commerce.

The four justices in the minority said the entire law should have been
tossed.

Justice Anthony Kennedy read the dissent from the court's more
conservative members. The nuances of the ruling hashed out by the
majority were irrelevant to a more basic point, they argued. "Whatever
may be the conceptual limits upon the Commerce Clause and upon the power
to tax and spend, they cannot be such as will enable the Federal
Government to regulate all private conduct and to compel the States to
function as administrators of federal programs," Kennedy with Justices
Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito wrote in their joint
dissent.

In a conference call with reporters after the ruling, lawyer Paul
Clement, who argued for the 26 states challenging the law, expressed
some surprise about the majority that formed around the taxing power. He
said the federal government had three chances to win the case and won
with one of those. He said he hadn't had enough time to fully digest the
role Roberts played with the ruling but said most people would have been
surprised before it came down to learn that Roberts was not part of the
strong four-member dissent.

Also on that call was Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi who questioned
the public claims made in 2009 and 2010 by President Obama and other
Democrats that the law wasn't a tax. She said it was disingenuous of
them to make that claim to the American people.

The dissent said the interpretation of the taxing power was
inappropriate, though. "To say that the Individual Mandate merely
imposes a tax is not to interpret the statute but to rewrite it.
Judicial tax-writing is particularly troubling," they wrote.

While most of the opinion was split 5-4, only two justices disagreed
with the court's determination that the Medicaid expansion of ObamaCare
was impermissible. The court ruled that the threat by Washington to take
away existing Medicaid funds from states who opted out of the expanded
program was coercive.

Bondi said she was happy with that part of the ruling but said it's too
soon to know what impact it will have on her state or others. It means
for now that states will have the choice to participate in the expansion
but that Congress will have to come up with alternative means to
encourage involvement.

Roberts-led majority cites taxing power in decision to uphold health care law


In the words of one Supreme Court justice, Thursday's historic ruling leaves the controversial health care overhaul "largely unscathed" -- but only by the slimmest of margins in the 5-4 ruling that put Chief Justice John Roberts in line with the court's more liberal members.

Though it seemed an odd alliance, with the conservative Roberts ruling that President Obama's signature domestic policy achievement should stand, the court's majority used a highly technical argument. And Roberts offered several notable disclaimers.

The chief justice, while he may take heat from his conservative peers for the ruling, said the decision on the wisdom of the law will ultimately be left to the voters. "We do not consider whether the act embodies sound policies," he wrote. "That judgment is entrusted to the nation's elected leaders."
Roberts went on to say the court's role is to interpret the law, not make policy judgments which is for lawmakers "who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices."

The decision to uphold ObamaCare and its individual mandate forcing people to buy health insurance was based on the federal government's taxing authority rather than other powers.

The Roberts majority determined that Congress deserved reasonable deference on the determination of whether the cost incurred for non-compliance with the individual mandate to obtain insurance was a tax or a penalty.

"Congress's authority under the taxing power is limited to requiring an individual to pay money into the Federal Treasury, no more. If a tax is properly paid, the Government has no power to compel or punish individuals subject to it. We do not make light of the severe burden that taxation -- especially taxation motivated by a regulatory purpose -- can impose. But imposition of a tax nonetheless leaves an individual with a lawful choice to do or not do a certain act, so long as he is willing to pay a tax levied on that choice," the majority wrote.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg also spoke from the bench in part to say that while she and the other three members of the court appointed by Democratic presidents agreed with the ultimate outcome of the case, they would have preferred to see the decision based on the government's power to regulate commerce.
The four justices in the minority said the entire law should have been tossed.

Justice Anthony Kennedy read the dissent from the court's more conservative members. The nuances of the ruling hashed out by the majority were irrelevant to a more basic point, they argued. "Whatever may be the conceptual limits upon the Commerce Clause and upon the power to tax and spend, they cannot be such as will enable the Federal Government to regulate all private conduct and to compel the States to function as administrators of federal programs," Kennedy with Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito wrote in their joint dissent.

In a conference call with reporters after the ruling, lawyer Paul Clement, who argued for the 26 states challenging the law, expressed some surprise about the majority that formed around the taxing power. He said the federal government had three chances to win the case and won with one of those. He said he hadn't had enough time to fully digest the role Roberts played with the ruling but said most people would have been surprised before it came down to learn that Roberts was not part of the strong four-member dissent.

Also on that call was Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi who questioned the public claims made in 2009 and 2010 by President Obama and other Democrats that the law wasn't a tax. She said it was disingenuous of them to make that claim to the American people.

The dissent said the interpretation of the taxing power was inappropriate, though. "To say that the Individual Mandate merely imposes a tax is not to interpret the statute but to rewrite it. Judicial tax-writing is particularly troubling," they wrote.

While most of the opinion was split 5-4, only two justices disagreed with the court's determination that the Medicaid expansion of ObamaCare was impermissible. The court ruled that the threat by Washington to take away existing Medicaid funds from states who opted out of the expanded program was coercive.

Bondi said she was happy with that part of the ruling but said it's too soon to know what impact it will have on her state or others. It means for now that states will have the choice to participate in the expansion but that Congress will have to come up with alternative means to encourage involvement.






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Old 06-29-2012, 07:12 AM
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I'm not sure if it is worse to change the premise of the mandate to a tax so it can be justified, or allow the mandate under the rules of commerce but the end result is the same. This is another huge power grab by the government and should result in throwing the trash out of Washington DC or an armed revolution.

They now are flaunting the power to take over the balance of our lives that are not already heavily regulated.
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Old 06-29-2012, 07:59 AM
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the decision on calling the penalty which congress described a tax rested solely with the supreme court and Roberts in particular

Roberts was solely worried about his "legacy" and wow, what a way to go down in flames.
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SNL Spoofs Barack Obama On Obamacare


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snqs6vHSo2c


Judge Jeanine Pirro on Obamacare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NQcl2Kfbew
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Take it from the Donald files bankrupt more than 3x’s See just look @ that photo .. Has his hand out again for more . Thanks for sharing Lol
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You know that one guy who successfully signed up for Obamacare? He didn?t


PANTS ON FIRE: Chad Henderson told multiple media outlets that he successfully enrolled in Obamacare. But the poster boy for the new health care law is actually a former Obama campaign staffer, and he?s not enrolled in the system. (PHOTO: Facebook.com/wchadhenderson)

The 21-year-old student from Georgia was cited in multiple articles as being one of the few, the proud, the successful to signed up for insurance through a federal exchange.

On his Facebook page, Henderson bragged about being interviewed by ?The Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Chattanooga Times Free Press, The Huffington Post, Enroll America, and Politico,? along with several local TV affiliates.

His story supposedly was proof that for all their glitches and problems ? and the ambivalence of young people ? the new health insurance exchanges were working after all.

Except it seems like it was all a lie.

Peter Suderman, writing at Reason, claims to have uncovered the truth.
?But in an exclusive phone interview this morning with Reason, Chad father?s Bill contradicted virtually every major detail of the story the media can?t get enough of,? Suderman writes. ?What?s more, some of the details that Chad has released are also at odds with published rate schedules and how Obamacare officials say the enrollment system works.?


Suderman tracked down Bill Henderson through Chad Henderson?s Facebook page. And via the son?s LinkedIn account, he found this little nugget:
?He was a volunteer with President Obama?s campaign last year, and his LinkedIn page still lists him as an active volunteer with Organizing for Action, the former campaign organization which now advocates for the president?s legislative agenda.?
Chad Henderson didn?t really lie about his intentions. He told several media outlets that he was sharing his story because he wanted the new health care law to succeed. It just seems that no one at the posts ? Washington and Huffington ? decided to fact check his story.

The whole thing seems to have been set-up in advance. As Sarah Kliff of the Washington Post notes, she was given Henderson?s contact information Tuesday morning just moments after writing a blog post ?about the lack of information on Obamacare enrollees.?

Who passed Henderson?s contact information to Kliff? Enroll America, the pro-Obamacare nonprofit run by a former communications director for the Obama campaign.

Hmm, didn?t Henderson work for that same campaign? Surely, just a coincidence.

UPDATE: Kliff got Henderson on the phone again (he did not respond to a Facebook message from this reporter) and he admits that he did not complete the enrollment process, but argues that he was not lying when he said he did. She does not appear to have asked about his connections to the Obama campaign and Enroll America.

Boehm is a reporter for Watchdog.org and can be reached at EBoehm@Watchdog.org. Follow him on Twitter at @EricBoehm87

Chad Henderson was all over the news the past two days.
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Wisconsin Congressman Sean Duffy slammed Andrea Mitchell and the media (MSNBC) Tuesday for not pointing out the hypocrisy of ObamaCare being delayed for certain groups but not for all Americans.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/85779-ddddddd/


Obama, the Zombie Apocalypse and magic fairy dust

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Visits to Obamacare Site Plummet in Two Weeks



Visits to the Obamacare website have dropped by 88 percent in the two weeks since the online health-insurance exchanges were launched Oct. 1, according to an independent analysis.


The analysis also revealed that of the 9.4 million unique visitors to HealthCare.gov during the first week, about one-third tried to register and only 1.01 million completed registration.



According to the Washington Post, roughly 36,000 consumers successfully signed-up for a government-backed insurance plan after enrolling, but 99.6 percent of all visitors to the site did not enroll.




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Obamacare Website Cost $634 Million, Faces Months of Glitches


Healthcare.gov, the federal Obamacare website, cost taxpayers more than $630 million,
nearly seven times its original estimate of $93 million, new figures reveal.


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/oba...#ixzz2htA0cloX
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How Will You Fare in the Obamacare Exchanges?


There are literally no comparisons to current rates. That is, [the Department of Health and Human Services] has chosen to dodge the question of whose rates are going up, and how much. Instead they try to distract with a comparison to a hypothetical number that has nothing to do with the actual experience of real people
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