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Old 07-23-2017, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jetty dog View Post
Give to the rich and always
take from the poor.
If reducing an amount of what is already being taken from somebody is defined by someone as "giving them something" they have already earned then I can see how it could be thought that you can take something from someone who would not have had it to start with if it had not been given to them.

I consider myself one of the luckier ones with ObamaCare as I have been able to keep my Doctor and my Insurance but I can tell you from personal experience that my level of care and benefits have been greatly reduced by it.

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Old 09-24-2017, 07:48 AM
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Newt Gingrich: Health care in America -- the single-payer disaster

A recent poll should worry all Americans who care about the quality and availability of health care in our country.

According to POLITICO/Morning Consult, 49 percent of American voters say they would support a single-payer health care system, where the only provider of health insurance in the United States would be the federal government.

Think about that: The same federal government that runs Medicaid and Medicare ? both of which lose an estimated $70 billion to $110 billion annually to fraud ? would be the sole option for your family?s health insurance.

Not surprisingly, 67 percent of Democrats said they are in favor of having the government completely take over our health insurance system ? a figure that is up from 54 percent in April. This shows the growing influence that Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who recently introduced a ?Medicare for All? bill, continues to exert over the Democratic Party. What?s truly alarming though is that even 33 percent of Republicans polled said they support a single-payer health care system.

These results suggest that in the midst of arguing over ObamaCare and the merits of the various ?repeal and replace? bills, some basic truths have been forgotten.

It is time to go back to basics.

most important principle to understand in the debate over health care is that government-dominated systems lead to scarcity and rationing. It is why we see the same food lines and starvation in Venezuela today that we saw last century in Soviet-run countries.

In single-payer health care systems, scarcity and rationing often take the form of long wait times. The Red Cross recently declared that Great Britain, which has a single-payer system, faced a ?humanitarian crisis? of hospital bed and doctor shortages. Two people recently died at a British hospital after waiting more than 30 hours in a hospital hallway for treatment.

If this situation sounds familiar, it is because the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Health Administration, another government-run health care system, faces a similar crisis of long wait times due to years of bureaucratic inefficiency. (Fortunately, under the leadership of President Trump and VA Secretary David Shulkin, this problem is being fixed, in part by offering veterans more non-government health care provider options.)

Other times, scarcity and rationing take the form of government refusing to pay for treatments that you and your doctor think are best for your health.

In Britain?s case, the government ? not the patient or doctor ? has the final say on what treatments are covered.

According to National Health Service Constitution for England: ?You have the right to drugs and treatments that have been recommended by NICE for use in the NHS, if your doctor says they are clinically appropriate for you. You have the right to expect local decisions on funding of other drugs and treatments to be made rationally following a proper consideration of the evidence. If the local NHS decides not to fund a drug or treatment you and your doctor feel would be right for you, they will explain that decision to you.? (Emphasis added).

The British government justifies its decisions through ?comparative effectiveness? studies. But in modern medicine, which is becoming increasingly personalized, this is extraordinarily dangerous.

If studies show Drug A is 70 percent effective at treating a disease, while Drug B is only 50 percent effective, the government may decide to cover Drug A over Drug B, regardless of what your doctor recommends. Medicine is rarely one-size-fits-all, and if you are a person for whom Drug A does not work, then you may be paying big for Drug B.

Ultimately, single-payer health care suffers from the same problem that former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher identified as the issue with all of socialism: ?Eventually you run out of other people?s money.?

In 2014, Vermont tried to pass a single-payer system. The state that gave us Bernie Sanders wanted to be the liberal torchbearer that would show the nation how great a government-run system could be.

Then reality set in.

Democratic Gov. Peter Shumlin realized he would have to raise the state?s payroll tax to 11.5 percent and set premiums at nearly 10 percent of people?s income.

According to The Washington Post, Shumlin determined the plan would be bad for Vermonters, saying ?the potential economic disruption and risks would be too great to small businesses, working families and the state?s economy.?

Three years after Vermont?s single-payer effort fell apart, California?s state Senate passed a single-payer health care bill in June of this year.

Even upon passage, the Democrats in the state acknowledged it was an incomplete, wildly expensive piece of legislation that had no hope of going anywhere. The plan would cost $400 billion a year. Lawmakers would have to raise the state?s payroll tax to 15 percent in order to raise the additional $200 billion in annual revenue required to afford the plan.

Republicans must remember these examples ? and once again get into the habit of regularly communicating conservative principles and policies.

If we don?t focus on winning the basic arguments about the merits of free markets over socialism, the left will continue to try to convince every new generation of American voters that destructive policies like single-payer health insurance are reasonable.

If we let the left win, America will be fundamentally changed in a matter of decades. That new America would be less healthy, less prosperous and less free.


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Old 09-24-2017, 12:09 PM
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I have no hope except that no matter what happens, 1. Half or more of the country will be upset and 2. My health care coverage will decrease while costs out of pocket will dramatically increase. That's why I'm focusing on staying as healthy as possible.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:28 AM
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That's why I'm focusing on staying as healthy as possible.
Ditto, My plan from work sucks. For the most part its Major Med. All the small stuff (costly) for the first 1200 is out of pocket.
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