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Old 10-17-2011, 01:44 PM
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Years ago Momma J and me belonged to a game club where we bought hunts. The club raised, still does, over 40,000 pheasants a year. The birds free range inside a large pen with a high net where they have minimal contact with humans. Down bred for size, which enhances flight qualities, these pheasants were considered and were, superior to any birds around. A local group of pheasant hunters in the habit of hunting the wild birds of Block Island gave up chartering flights to the island in favor of these Addieville Farm hunts. All things considered, if they preferred raised birds over wild ones there must have been something to their choices.
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:51 PM
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When people think pheasants..at least I always did..I envision the birds in a rural environment with farms, woods, and cornfields. But there are areas that surprisingly hold pheasants. Kennedy airport in N.Y. has pheasants in the fields surrounding it.
I live in a town which is surrounded by densely populated suburbs for many miles. I was shocked one day driving to see a large rooster run in front of my car on the entrance ramp to the parkway.
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Key to sustained populations of all these animals is suitable habitat. They will die out quickly in the kind of hardwoods that deer and turkeys like. Pheasants need cover to hide and feed in and Long Island apparently has that. Years ago, when we duck hunted in the salt marshes of southern New England, we would see a flock of ducks land a ways over and sneak up on them while in the tall salt grass. Invariably, we booted out pheasants on the way.

Best determinate is whether regs are cocks only. If they are protecting hens, then there is a sustaining native population.
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Add to that the influx of what I call invasive species (I did not grow up with them as a factor) which are coyotes, fisher cats and not to many people are raising dogs to hunt raccoons and the balance gets tipped against pheasants. These predators most likely can not catch an adult pheasant but they sure like dinning on babies or eggs.
It seems, when the domestic dog was required to be leashed and not free, the wild animals moved to the suburbs and cities. Bears living near apartment complexes. coyotes roaming city streets etc. Enter the fast growing sport archery.
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Hunting cover is evolving from grown over farms to aged hardwoods. This is a kind of cover that favors deer and turkeys. My point of view is that I would prefer deer and turkeys over the rabbits and grouse we had when I was growing up. To me hunting today is better.
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That's very true. I can't speak for Mass. but in rural upstate N.Y. there are a lot of old dairy farms up for sale dirt cheap. If your retired and have money you can get a great buy..not for milking cows..rather for hunting and nearby trout fishing.
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A recognizable trend in hunting is the proliferation of Game Ranches or shooting preserves which are large fenced in acreages where hunters pay for the animals they take. As more and more access is denied to hunters by landowners, hunting will be reduced to this. These so-called "canned hunts" work better with some species than others. It is a certainty that pen-reared pheasants are most suitable to this type of hunting. The big game animals seem to vary in their adapability to barn rearing, then release. The lure is there, however.

Its nothing to spend 10K to go elk hunting out west then spend a fortune to get it home or save money by giving it away. If you don't see an elk your money is still gone. But on the other hand, you can shoot a game farm elk for 4K, keep your money if you miss, and drive home with it in the back of your pick-up.
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"Canned hunts" aka caned hunts and caned fishing are the wave of the future what with the population increasing and the demand for people wanting instant gratification. Surf fisherman will sooner of later have to turn to boat fishing. Deer hunters will have to turn to the bow and arrow to hunt close to populated areas.

Pretty sad in my opinion and I am glad to be outta here when this comes about.
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"Canned hunts" aka caned hunts and caned fishing are the wave of the future what with the population increasing and the demand for people wanting instant gratification. Surf fisherman will sooner of later have to turn to boat fishing. Deer hunters will have to turn to the bow and arrow to hunt close to populated areas. Pretty sad in my opinion and I am glad to be outta here when this comes about.
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Afraid your right, guys. Texas is the worst state because it is all leased, managed and pay as you go. Maine has no deer. Mid west states have the deer but short seasons. Best hunting is the two months of firearms with Sundays in our smallest state -- RI.
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On a lighter side we could go and hunt Zainsville Ohio for lions, tigers, leopards and bears. We know state workers cannot count unless they take their shoes off.

Could be opportunity a knockin!
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Afraid your right, guys. Texas is the worst state because it is all leased, managed and pay as you go. Maine has no deer. Mid west states have the deer but short seasons. Best hunting is the two months of firearms with Sundays in our smallest state -- RI.
Just today I heard a report from a friend regarding Rhode Island and deer. He said and I am not sure or the highway numbers but recall I95 and intersects with Rt 3 the deer are like ants and have become a nuisance to residence and motorists. He said if you cannot shoot a deer down there you might want to give up hunting. Of course those are his words and not mine.

For me would be nice to see a bunch of deer on an outings just so I could pick and choose. No don't want that one horns are to small, maybe that one, no she looks to fat. Big one coming through---bang down!
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Its hard to verbalize the hunting and deer population in RI. The regulation requiring written permission holds back a lot of hunting. A consequence is that there are areas overrun, probably like the one your friend mentioned, while others where you can hunt, it is much tougher. For Joyce and me local RI is better than local Massachusetts. I bird hunt with a family that has six deer with archery already. But they own a farm with food plots and pretty much leave their own land alone. If you have the right friends, relatives, connections, you got it knocked. We don't. We eat all the venison we want but there are three of us and we share; somebody in our bunch is always hot. One thing for sure: no family is going to eat more than three deer per year. I'm a numbers man and I know because of years of study.
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From what I have learned on my second wave of information from the friend is Rhode Island land ownership is much different then most states. If you have the permission you are golden but if you wound a deer you cannot pursue deer on another person's land. If you knock on a door you might get turned away fast. He put up his new deer stand (archery) and within 15 minutes saw three deer go by without a shot. Hour and a half later while he spent time counting cars back and forth on the freeway he saw another and a large buck coming in but had no shot. He was excited because black powder is next week.

Sounds to me like a place I do not want to visit with people that have an attitude because I tend to overreact to that.
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