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Old 02-18-2017, 12:01 PM
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I am heartened by the universal support I see here regarding the press's malfezance (sp). On the other hand the press is going to take Trump down just as they once did Mister Smarty and many others. There are just too many of them with an axe to grind for it to go any other way. What is scary is that politics is experiencing a rule change where one party will not accept voter wishes. Next round it will be the conservatives who carry placards "He/she is not my president."

I did not vote for Obama but when my choice lost I did not smash any store fronts. Those other bastards did! We have become a third world country.
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The press, instead of being neutral, has an agenda. They use unnamed sources all too often and give too much personal commentary and speculation. Like we need them to interpret the facts.

I absolutely love how Bill Belichick handles the press. They try their best to start a controversy, but Bill is way too smart to be manipulated and he can shut them down with ease.

I personally have been a witness to events that were later published in the newspaper. Some facts had been distorted and other information left out and that can mislead the reader into coming to the wrong conclusion.
Rmarsh, I especially agree with and can relate to your last couple sentences. I'll give you the short version. Five times in the newspapers (and a magazine as well) I knew all the players involved AND the whole, true story. Some of these papers had a circulation of a few towns, some a few counties, some much larger (states). A couple of these were medical. They gave statistics which gave complication and survival/fatality rates for different types of surgeons and physicians. The reading public would look at these and think "this one is safer, and this one is a murderer". Fact is that in a few of the cases the "safe" ones did an incomplete job or refused to treat due to risk. One "murderer"/surgeon (who is very good) would give someone that last chance at life...if the patient and family desired it. I'm not a physician, but all the ones I work with 100% agree with what I'm saying here. We even had someone very high up in gov't (in healthcare no less) choose a physician for a procedure...and picked the absolute worst one based on the media stats.

A less important story involved media coverage of an after school academic club competition at another school. Apparently there was a minor glitch in procuring a bus for the trip. The newspaper's story made the bus the focus of the story...not the students nor how well they did in the competition. The parents, teachers, principal, and students read it and said, "Huh?!..."

My opinion is that any news that is incomplete or is presented to show the story from a biased angle is "fake news"...and we read more of it than we realize in the popular media.
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When people are victimized by print media they never get over it. Because it happened to me I know the sense of helplessness that springs from seeing yourself maligned unfairly. Reporters can't help but go into a story with their preconceived sentiments. Perfect world they would seek out the facts but it is more important to them to slant the story in a way that sells the most papers. The thing that stops a story cold is if you don't talk to those guys.
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There is some indication in the letters section of the Boston Globe that subscribers are losing interest in the endless miffing and spitting war between columnists and Trump supporters. I have read a newspaper daily every day of my life and now I skip most of it. As soon as I see the letters T-R-U-M-P I drop the column and move on.

Two things are bound to happen: the press will eventually bring down President Trump; and/or newspaper readership will shrink further. Why purchase distress?
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:23 PM
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I have to generally disagree with the group here. There are reliable news sources, such as Associated Press, Reuters, New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, and even CNN.

Yes the print media tends to take a more "liberal" slant and I will agree that the NYT & WaPo dug deep into Trump but I can't think of two more reliable and ethical US newspapers.

I read the online editions of the NYT & WaPo EVERYDAY. I also read AP, Reuters, and the Guardian (UK). I used to read the WSJ & the Times of London but they are properties of Rupert Murdoch now and his heavy hand is evident.

I URGE ALL OF YOU to read the legitimate news sources everyday and discuss what you'ed LEARNED around the dinner table. That has been a "tradition" in my family since I was a kid. My wife and I and my 92 year old mother continue to discuss what we've learned each night.

AND while I'm lecturing, please switch off Rush, Hannity & that absolute wacko Savage once in awhile and try listening to NPR, National Public Radio. You will LEARN something.

Frankly I am alarmed, as Frank noted, with this "Fake News" bullshit coming out of Trump's mouth. That is extremely dangerous. I am glad to see that "the Media" is now reporting a Lie as a Lie.

I don't believe the media will take Trump down, he will take himself down, just as Nixon did.

How are we going to find out what plans are being formulated in Washington DC, or your state capital without reading a newspaper? Some of the ideas being bandied about are just plain scarey.

Fortunately we have Millions of Women who are continuing to organize, and will be a major brake on the current administration. Guffaw if you want, just keep watching.

PS: The online subscriptions for the NYT and WaPo have increased dramatically since Trump became POTUS and you do know that the membership and donations to the ACLU have skyrocketed.
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I don't believe anything I read in print and not much of what I hear on television. I suppose I may be called a skeptic but I think that all of the print folks have agendas and that said agenda does not include honesty or objective journalism.

It is important to discuss current events and help those you love and others with whom you enjoy social intercourse to cut through the marketing BS. The media crowd has been so good at marketing that one must be astute about getting to the facts.

One of my favorite first hand experiences with the press was when we thought it would be good to get some exposure for our public works group so we invited a reporter from a local rag....one that has previously had Pulitzer price winning exposure. While covering an association event she started by naming our association and in the next sentence said that we were primarily a middle aged group of mostly white men that was apparently not fond of diversity. No chit .... that's what the little beotche said. No reference to the fact that the area that makes up the association coverage is 98% white and that few females are interested in operating equipment or cleaning manholes.

That was the end of our efforts to give the good folks of public works local press coverage.

After years of reading one to two papers daily I gave it up altogether ten years ago. I do read some fishing club newsletters and periodicals and prefer to visit history books for political viewpoints.
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True, I learn something when I listen to NPR...I learn how much my tax money is wasted.

I do subscribe to the WSJ as it plays more down the middle than the other propaganda disguised as news ( and note that I didn't single out the left). I think.

Bob, I do agree that overall we need to always push our administration toward the middle and if that means women's marches so be it. I don't guffaw, but I am saddened by the amount of total disdain each side has for the other.

The divisions really started in earnest with the Iraq war, and everyone since has been adding fuel to the fire.

Headed up, of course, by the MSM.
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True, I learn something when I listen to NPR...I learn how much my tax money is wasted.

FOUR PINOCCHIOS, no one who listens to NPR would say their tax money is being wasted.

http://www.npr.org/programs/
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ok you got me, I listen to cartalk

edit: as to the news segments (that I've listened to) ... bleah.
of the various "editions" morning, evening, weekend whatever... what I have listened to varies from interesting to downright
globalist propaganda. I do admit to falling asleep when trying to listen to other segments on NPR.
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My whole problem with today's press/media is lack of accountability. When you don't have to reveal a source its very easy to lie because your not accountable - very dangerous. The press has a very low approval rating right now. They really need to clean house, publicly condemn bad reporting, and apologize when required.
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I have to generally disagree with the group here. There are reliable news sources, such as Associated Press, Reuters, New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, and even CNN.

Yes the print media tends to take a more "liberal" slant and I will agree that the NYT & WaPo dug deep into Trump but I can't think of two more reliable and ethical US newspapers.

I read the online editions of the NYT & WaPo EVERYDAY. I also read AP, Reuters, and the Guardian (UK). I used to read the WSJ & the Times of London but they are properties of Rupert Murdoch now and his heavy hand is evident.

I URGE ALL OF YOU to read the legitimate news sources everyday and discuss what you'ed LEARNED around the dinner table. That has been a "tradition" in my family since I was a kid. My wife and I and my 92 year old mother continue to discuss what we've learned each night.

AND while I'm lecturing, please switch off Rush, Hannity & that absolute wacko Savage once in awhile and try listening to NPR, National Public Radio. You will LEARN something.

Frankly I am alarmed, as Frank noted, with this "Fake News" bullshit coming out of Trump's mouth. That is extremely dangerous. I am glad to see that "the Media" is now reporting a Lie as a Lie.

I don't believe the media will take Trump down, he will take himself down, just as Nixon did.

How are we going to find out what plans are being formulated in Washington DC, or your state capital without reading a newspaper? Some of the ideas being bandied about are just plain scarey.

Fortunately we have Millions of Women who are continuing to organize, and will be a major brake on the current administration. Guffaw if you want, just keep watching.

PS: The online subscriptions for the NYT and WaPo have increased dramatically since Trump became POTUS and you do know that the membership and donations to the ACLU have skyrocketed.
Bob, I'm gonna have to disagree with some of this. (...and please note, this is about news in general, not necessarily about the past election... I wasn't a fan of either candidate!...). I was reading news feeds, editorials, opinions etc. on my wife's Facebook...all generated by the NY Times. Most of the them were hyper critical of anything "Trump". Now, that's understandable...lots of material. I'd bet than less than 10% of those feeds said much about Hillary, and what was there was either complementary or barely mentioned anything negative (emails, Benghazi etc.). I was telling a relative of mine that I thought the media in general leaned toward the left, he showed me a picture that showed (8?) news sources from left to right. Personally I thought all mentioned sources should've been placed a little left of where they were. They put The NYTs smack in the middle... I don't believe that. Id mentioned earlier in this thread examples of how media tells parts of stories and the public thinks they're gospel...that's "fake news" right there, and plenty of people fall for it everyday, and don't even realize the wool's been pulled over their eyes. I know plenty of people who pride themselves on reading a large circulation newspaper day to day (again, NYTs) and cover to cover and honestly believe they have a good grasp on what's going on in the world...at this point. To me, that's dangerous.
You mentioned switching off Rush etc.? Bob, if you're telling people NOT to listen to some else's story, YOU'RE trying to squelch someone else's opinion! No! listen to everybody! Not just the ones who are telling you what you want to hear. It'll make you question more about what you believe, but also confirm what you already knew sometimes. I do that with many things...you'll learn more.
Here's an example from the other side of the world: coworkers of mine from some former communist countries were taught of the U.S., and the horrors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki... Pearl Harbor was never mentioned...
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I kept trying to edit and re-edit my above post, but I got "timed out"... I'm too slow! ��... I wanted to add that the other news from The New York Times that kept coming through were either A) recipes or B) random opinions, like, a writer seemed puzzled and mildly upset that "The Berenstain Bears"...a children's book...had the Bears going to "Sunday school"...breaking news...thank God THAT's been brought to light!
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Bob, I think the world where people discuss the nightly news at dinner is long gone for many people. Pretty much all sources you cite have burned their credibility with me and many others. For me it isn't about what they are doing with Trump, although it is certainly an example. Long ago I realized they were lying to me pretty frequently. The reporters may be just passing on a lie that they heard and believed, but they are still spreading lies and misinformation. Some of them intentionally and knowingly lie.
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How can anyone defend the press when each of us can cite so many examples of abuse. Arguments that say we need them fail to consider that we only need a press if it tells the truth. There are two villains here, both liars: Trump and the press with their abuse of the First Amendment. Trump will be taken down and I hope we conservatives are big enough not to smash store fronts and burn cars in the street nor carry placards saying his replacement "is not my president."
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There are other ways that the press can exert a dishonest influence. For instance, having agenderized the news may not be fake but it still fails its readership. The last summer Olympics the first U.S. gold medal was won by Kim Rhodes for a shooting event. Inasmuch as shooting/guns were involved the Boston Globe did not report the shooting event for the first US gold medal. That paper does not have an outdoor column, though admittedly I don't know why. I know that if a hunter shoots himself by accident as happened last fall that is news, and it was reported. Hope I am not taking too long to point out often the press makes a call which has a purpose which follows party lines. It may not be fake news but it is a failure to provide unbiased reporting which is every bit as bad as fake news. And don't tell me that we need the press to keep us informed. We need to be informed with what is true and failure to report something good done by a conservative but always the bad things done by a conservative is not responsible, balanced reporting. The press can screw you. I know because I was once a victim.

When I opened and started this thread it was never intended to be about Donald Trump. You don't have to be a president to be screwed by the press. Remember Cecil the African lion?
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