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Maybe when I retire I could dig into this research (never happen LOL... I'd still need a "ghost writer" Frank )

I would think that Canada would have the most to gain out of it, what with their precious salmon being at risk and all!
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Not likely that Canada would spend research money on a species they despise. I do get your point that what is learned could be used to protect salmon. But there could be any number of reasons why Canada does not care.

What has to be understood is that salmon is to Canada what stripers are to us. Sociologists call one culture's failure to understand another culture ethnocentric.
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I understand the reversal of priorities, but would seem if they want to control the striper population's impact on salmon, they need to understand why those stripers are there, beyond the obvious answer being "food" (salmon parr).

If global warming is contributing to the problem, it suggests this problem is not going away anytime soon, even if they take draconian measure to reduce the local population, supposedly to benefit their beloved salmon. Also may explain why any attempt to reintroduce the salmon to more Southern river systems is doomed to fail until the next ice age encroaches.

Ah well, late day rambling. Interesting subject, even if there is no solution.
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to alot of people its just a fish & a fish don't live as long as trees , so why invest time ,energy & $$$ to something that won't live that long .
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Rob, you make a good point, as usual.

Hook, don't trivialize gamefish species. Research regarding various gamefish /wildlife matters though I admit that not all studies have any value. But science has to be applied to what is known in order to know more. If the salmon and bass are influencing/impacting one another, it is necessary to determine what is needed, if possible and get involved. Maybe, they have to kill stripers, or at least stop protecting them. This all assumes that scientist managers know what they are doing.
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I just know how successful NJ fisheries managers are regarding their attempts to legislate reduction of the invasive snakehead population (where by reg, you are supposed to kill any caught).

First, many anglers aren't even convinced that these fish harm any native species, they seem to occupy a different niche.

Second, many anglers enjoy catching them more than the native species due to their great fight.

Finally, since they have invaded the tidal, multi-river-connected Delaware system, everyone knows that any attempt to control them is futile.

Yup, managers know what they are doing with the regs, for sure.

And don't mean to sidetrack onto only conversations about NJ fisheries managers, either
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Rob, you make a good point, as usual.

Hook, don't trivialize gamefish species. Research regarding various gamefish /wildlife matters though I admit that not all studies have any value. But science has to be applied to what is known in order to know more. If the salmon and bass are influencing/impacting one another, it is necessary to determine what is needed, if possible and get involved. Maybe, they have to kill stripers, or at least stop protecting them. This all assumes that scientist managers know what they are doing.
It’s the information presented to the US government or The Canadian government is little league, it?s not the poor fishes fault the separation of commercial recreational anglers can’t get on the same page due to funds ( taxpayers) distributed to solving its decline . The tree people , bird people have their act together united & not separated by making a buck . Folks here in the north should take lessons from Louisiana, Alabama, Florida where they protected Red Fish ,Snook & Tarpon. Where there is billions of dollars in recreational fishing industry. Besides American?s are stupid about the fish they eat ,Tapapia & Chilean Sea Bass are junk not raised healthy & Asian people are smart because you they get to
eat our healthy fisheries annually.
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Why would Canada cooperate with the US to conserve a fish they despise? Or, why would the US help Canada with salmon when the US has no access to them? Countries look out for their own interests. I see no solution to the striper/salmon enigma other than to let it play out naturally.
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To answer your question why : it’s not their concern of living / life / the planet but to what is the strategy are the people who want to save the species , political lobby , fund support . It might be wrong in balanced eyes or people who think it’s a fair world , to get things done know the system by greasing the palm or knowing dirty business of who controls direction .
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Nobody is going to do anything about the problem. Sure, individuals who catch a striper are going to rip the gills quietly and not say anything. This will have no effect upon the predation of the salmon and people will just keep complaining that the stripers are why there are fewer salmon.
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Nobody is going to do anything about the problem. Sure, individuals who catch a striper are going to rip the gills quietly and not say anything. This will have no effect upon the predation of the salmon and people will just keep complaining that the stripers are why there are fewer salmon.
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not taking any credit for this one , its coming from my barber Pete , who has been cutting & shaving for 70 years , descendant of Rome , Italy
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Why are all the barbers Italians?
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I don't know that answer , but when I went in the other day for the holiday trim , I asked Pete to make me look like Leonardo Dicaprio , when he was finished , he pulled out the mirror & I looked like Tony Orlando . I asked Pete what happened ? He replied . " I don't perform miracles ".
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Went to Vince the barber down in Ventnor many years ago.

I was commenting on the arrest of Little Nicky (Philly mob).

He goes... "he's my brother in law"

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Another time I went around the corner to get my hair cut. Shop
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